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Old 03-18-2016, 10:15 PM   #136
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Well, Russia has just finished kicking the butts of the terrorists out of Syria and oil prices have started to rise. Coincidence? I'm sure not.

By the way, some weeks ago, Russia and other countries involved in Syria agreed a ceasefire. What I wonder - and I haven't heard anyone in the media asking this - is, IF ISIS and the other terrorists that were fighting in Syria are clandestine groups, allegedly not associated with any government, what relevance would a ceasefire agreed between governments have in the conflict?
 
Old 03-18-2016, 10:38 PM   #137
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Well, Russia has just finished kicking the butts of the terrorists out of Syria and oil prices have started to rise. Coincidence? I'm sure not.

By the way, some weeks ago, Russia and other countries involved in Syria agreed a ceasefire. What I wonder - and I haven't heard anyone in the media asking this - is, IF ISIS and the other terrorists that were fighting in Syria are clandestine groups, allegedly not associated with any government, what relevance would a ceasefire agreed between governments have in the conflict?
With credit to Russia they have stabilised Syria and good for them. I like to see what the US will do about this, and Russia is NOT going away. They have reduced their presence, but again, have PERMANENT bases in Lattakia province, and in another location (which escapes me right now). If something were to happen again, rest assured more Russian forces will be there in a heartbeat. Let that be another warning to Turkey & co.

Russia's involvement in Syria was legal, whether the US and others like it or not. Assad ASKED for their assistance, remember that Russia has a written mutual agreement with each other, (same with Iran by the way), so don't think that Israel will actually be able to do anything without serious consequences.

Anyways, it doesn't matter though because the west won't recognize this success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0X_4L0zcmw Watch the entirety and make your own conclusions.

The so-called FSA (Free Syrian Army) is also going to the negotiating table, so again what is the logic that others like the Washington insiders (and their allies) still beat the same tired drum of Assad must go? Why? So they can screw up yet another country like they did with Iraq, and parts of North Africa?

Sorry, but they have no more credibility and Russia has played their hand very well, whether some like it or not, it is there plain as day, clear as crystal swallow the bitter pill and get over it.

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Old 03-19-2016, 01:26 PM   #138
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With credit to Russia they have stabilised Syria and good for them. I like to see what the US will do about this, and Russia is NOT going away. They have reduced their presence, but again, have PERMANENT bases in Lattakia province, and in another location (which escapes me right now). If something were to happen again, rest assured more Russian forces will be there in a heartbeat. Let that be another warning to Turkey & co.

Russia's involvement in Syria was legal, whether the US and others like it or not. Assad ASKED for their assistance, remember that Russia has a written mutual agreement with each other, (same with Iran by the way), so don't think that Israel will actually be able to do anything without serious consequences.

Anyways, it doesn't matter though because the west won't recognize this success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0X_4L0zcmw Watch the entirety and make your own conclusions.

The so-called FSA (Free Syrian Army) is also going to the negotiating table, so again what is the logic that others like the Washington insiders (and their allies) still beat the same tired drum of Assad must go? Why? So they can screw up yet another country like they did with Iraq, and parts of North Africa?

Sorry, but they have no more credibility and Russia has played their hand very well, whether some like it or not, it is there plain as day, clear as crystal swallow the bitter pill and get over it.
Indeed, if it wasn't for Russia, ISIS would have taken over the country and possibly would now be spreading to other countries around (actually, they are destabilizing Iraq as well). I doubt the western governments (and the western media) will recognize it, because their real concern is not ISIS, but Assad and Russia (apart from China).
 
Old 03-19-2016, 03:03 PM   #139
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I doubt the western governments (and the western media) will recognize it.
They already don't as that one Parliament journalist pointed out (in the links I posted), in the House of Commons they attribute the success to the 'US intervention' and NOT to the recent efforts of the Kremlin. .

It is beyond disgusting at this point how western powers think they can do no wrong, and whatever glimmer of order and stability is popping up it is because of them, not these Russian upstarts.
 
Old 03-19-2016, 03:36 PM   #140
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The United States government treats the entire world as its own personal plantation; where it can say and do anything that it pleases without any significant consequences!! People the world over are waking up to the sinister nature of United States politicians and their corporate cronies!! Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are both riding on that crest of that dissatisfaction!!
 
Old 03-19-2016, 03:39 PM   #141
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The United States government treats the entire world as its own personal plantation; where it can say and do anything that it pleases without any significant consequences!!
Well Russia is no longer keeping silent. They are very calculating and patient, and this is just one of many litanies that the Russians have to raise up; all the way back to the destruction of Yugoslavia.

Things are coming back ten-fold to the US now.
 
Old 03-19-2016, 03:50 PM   #142
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With credit to Russia they have stabilised Syria and good for them.
how Russia stabilized Syria :
http://www.rferl.org/media/photogall.../27617292.html
 
Old 03-20-2016, 01:40 AM   #143
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It still pales in comparison to the bombing the US did in Iraq. Damascus is all but untouched, whatever damaged infrastructure done outside the capital can now be rebuilt, and I guarantee you it will be quicker; after all the US had over a decade now, and more-or-less most of Baghdad is a complete sh*thole still. I wouldn't be surprised seeing more Russian personnel deployed for rebuilding, after all there are also other non-military personnel such as medics on the ground.

Also those images were 5 years according to the site, so ...Uh, Russia only started a few months back and recently just ended.

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Old 03-20-2016, 04:54 AM   #144
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will people go back to their homes??? if Assad is still in charge, from my European point of wiew it looks like that You did the mess (by You i mean US and Russia) we will have to clean it like usually.

ps. by mess i also mean Afganistan, Irak, Libia, Egipt, Syria all those place just across the Mediterranean are still totally unstable because US agenda with backup from stupid EU politicians.
 
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will people go back to their homes??? if Assad is still in charge, from my European point of wiew it looks like that You did the mess (by You i mean US and Russia) we will have to clean it like usually.

ps. by mess i also mean Afganistan, Irak, Libia, Egipt, Syria all those place just across the Mediterranean are still totally unstable because US agenda with backup from stupid EU politicians.
Will people go back to their homes? In this case yes, and I think it is rather unfair to lump Russia with the west let alone the US. With respect to Russia they are not actually out to topple governments. Before you say Ukraine, that country is a buffer country like other countries bordering Russia, Poland, the Baltic countries, etc. It was stipulated after the second World War, that those countries would be a buffer between Russia and Europe, nobody on either side Russia or the west would be able to interfere and place heavy weaponry there, and before you say again 'that was when the USSR exists', actually that policy as far as the Russians are concerned is still in effect. Why do you think that Russia rightfully so made noise when the US tried to place missiles in Poland? Which by the way the US backed down. Russia was not being belligerent like the west would have me believe. By the way, the USSR is technically dead right? So why is NATO still around?

Sorry if I sound such high praising on the Russians, but considering the track record of the US and others they do not have the credibility in my opinion, and I think Russia might actually do some good in stabilising the entire region, effectively cleaning up the sh*t that the US has caused for the past decade until now.

Also, I live in the US and I am not Russian by the way, just in case you might be wondering .

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Old 03-20-2016, 04:23 PM   #146
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Wishful thinking Russia stabilizing region, then why Russia does not join NATO then, i am Polish i have high regards about Russian Culture but not necessarily about Russian politics, American to btw and i don`t want to be a buffer for their war games any more.

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Old 03-21-2016, 01:47 AM   #147
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Wishful thinking Russia stabilizing region, then why Russia does not join NATO then, i am Polish i have high regards about Russian Culture but not necessarily about Russian politics, American to btw and i don`t want to be a buffer for their war games any more.
The purpose of NATO was to counter the Soviet Union in any potential threats to Europe, nothing more. Again, since the USSR no longer exists, there really is no purpose for NATO itself to exist, and NATO has been the one being belligerent in Russia's point of view. Also smaller countries will always be a pawn in some way to the bigger kids, its just the way it is. You see it also on the Korean Peninsula between China and the US, and of course between Russia and Germany deciding Poland's fate before and during the second World War being carved up between each other until the German aggression into the USSR.

Anyways, I am on a tangent, so the main topic is Syria. Russia stabilising the entire Middle East itself is wishful thinking, but again since Syria and Russia have a signed treaty between each other, the Syrian government will not fall much to the dismay of the western powers and at this point I am rather thankful, otherwise it would have been another Iraq, Egypt, Libya.

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Old 03-21-2016, 04:21 AM   #148
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Putin is Great Politician that is for sure, how quickly he can turn from villain to hero who is bringing peace to Syria.

ps. don`t be blind this is part of his game (but he will lost Russian folk are tired of his games).
 
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Putin is Great Politician that is for sure, how quickly he can turn from villain to hero who is bringing peace to Syria.

ps. don`t be blind this is part of his game (but he will lost Russian folk are tired of his games).
Again, since Syria and Russia have signed a mutual defense treaty, Syria also being a sovereign state and the Russians are limiting their presence per UN rules he is not doing anything illegal.

His domestic policy is not what we are discussing here, and besides Russians have a funny way of thinking. The more pressure from the outside, could just actually turn the people even more to support him. "He may be a bastard, but he is our bastard." I just look at the second World War again. Stalin was criminal, but after being attacked by the Germans, they put their grievances aside.

Also I am not really interested in the internal politics and policies. Whatever happens is between Putin and the populace.

Some would say that also Russia is trying to recapture the days of the Russian Empire. I doubt it, and if they are so what? The US with their empire is trying to expand, so when another country tries something similar, guess who whines about it? The US, because they want it all for themselves.

Again back on topic. As stated earlier Syria has a signed agreement with Russia, so the only way Assad is leaving power is if there is a democratic process under the UN that the Russians wont object to. What they object to and rightfully so, is the orchestrated coup d'etat backed by the US.

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Old 03-21-2016, 03:23 PM   #150
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well, we will see soon i hope, but problem of Syria lays not only in lack of democratic values - there was many factors that had influenced so called Arab Spring, drought, lack of employment, lack of education, lack of hope, etc, etc.
 
  


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