Originally Posted by dugan (Post 4939467)

That's not the test. The test is whether you can use a third party cable box.

Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4939462)

Maybe for PPV, but not for regular viewing. Sure, the signal is probably encrypted, and it has to decrypt it, but that's not really DRM.

Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4939466)

I'm not quite that philosophical about it. I care if I can do whatever I want with what I pay for. That's what I care about, and not the DRM itself. CSS is broken, I don't care about it because it doesn't hinder me. DRM on the other hand, hinders me, so I am against it ... until it is broken too.

Originally Posted by 273 (Post 4939476)

So why the objection to DRM in HTML5? The only people using it will be the people already using Silverlight and Flash

Originally Posted by dugan (Post 4939482)

And game consoles and mobile devices, which are becoming the defacto media players now.

Originally Posted by 273 (Post 4939488)

Well, yes, and other "devices" like fridges probably...

I have to admit that one thing which does worry me about DRM in HTML5 is that of "trusted platform" type situations where something must be added to the kernel -- that could be problematic. Though some sites apparently require HAL to work so I wonder is there something like this built into HAL anyhow?

Originally Posted by dugan (Post 4939501)

I would speculate that HAL is used to generate an decryption key, using a one way hash function whose input is the system hardware.

Originally Posted by dugan (Post 4939509)

I don't think things tend to get built against HAL anymore. I mean, didn't the "encrypted Flash video requires HAL" issue come to light only because HAL got deprecated, causing Amazon Instant Video stopped working for a lot of people?

I would expect Mozilla, Google and Opera to be more on top of changes like this than Adobe is.

Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4938727)

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4938727)

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DRM is not going to lead anywhere good. I think problem is that you need trust in any relationship and interaction. The trust between consumers and the entertainment industry no longer exists. I'm not sure who struck first, but both are guilty.

The entertainment industry is guilty for putting out overpriced garbage for us to buy and looking for all sorts of aggressive schemes to make more money ... such as advertising everywhere, claiming that it pays part of the cost. They want too much of a profit margin and have decreased the quality of their work significantly.

The consumers are guilty of piracy, not all of them, but many or most. Part of it is a natural reaction to the increasing prices and decreasing wages, but some of it is a break of trust and malevolent. I don't think the entertainment industry recognizes both of these, and they focus on the latter.

If there were only some way to implement a ceasefire. The govn't should step in, but they don't care. I guess it's up to us, the people to do something.

For sure boycotting DRM is a good thing to do, but it won't stop them. If only there were some way to prove that we are not malevolent pirates, and to convince them to let go of some of the profit, because they can live well enough still without their 10th vacation home, 9 vacation homes should be enough.

I don't know if any solution will be found before something collapses, but I will try for whatever solution is plausible.

I think people should be more aware of what they are buying, of its quality and if it has DRM. Do not buy DRM, and do not buy low quality garbage. Also fight against their manipulation of movie ratings on imdb and other places.
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Originally Posted by R3nCi (Post 4943070)

You forgot the closing [/rant] ;)

Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4939795)

I know they will implement it no matter what. I just hope there is a way to disable it. There probably will be a way, even if it means editing source code.