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Old 07-14-2021, 06:28 AM   #9931
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Old 07-14-2021, 06:37 AM   #9932
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These are just our excuses. Refusing help makes feel as bad. So we search to excuse ourselves. Just we like to have good self-image. Or perhaps bad morning. Don't touch - I bite. Just share what you can if someone asking you for help. Politely or not. Instead of going into senseless discussion, and self-explanations. Faith is about all that. Person can cheat itself - but not the God.
 
Old 07-14-2021, 10:53 AM   #9933
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Thank you, hazel. I hope you know that I am aware of our minor differences but that does not diminish the great respect I have for you. There are many reasons but a major one is your determination to enter a high tech field so often a "good ol' boys" club... and of course even if that wasn't on the list of your accomplishments and character plusses, I'd wish you health and happiness. That it is fact just pounds that nail home.
 
Old 07-14-2021, 11:06 AM   #9934
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Perhaps coming from you, igadoter, such a response would be merely an excuse. It wasn't and isn't for me.

That conclusion is not only from my own view of myself but what I gather by the actions and responses from very diverse peoples I have met. In the case I mentioned with the two so-called Native American men, we talked for almost an hour. I actually missed my bus and they noticed and asked me about it and I told them, "It's a bus. There will be another but we may never meet again".

When the next one came we smiled, shook hands, and parted as friends, and I handed him a fiver as it was all I had above the cost of the bus. I'm confidant they both appreciated the earned respect we'd developed through honest dialogue instead of a guilt trip con job, more than the five. Nobody likes to be an invisible outsider. I'm sure they forgot the fiver by the next day, but I doubt they forgot me for awhile.... and I haven't forgotten them, obviously, despite it being over 40 years ago.
 
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I think every generation owes it to the underdogs to redress a racial imbalance if they see one.

Let me cite a neutral example. We are in South Africa, and in 1955 Apartheid lines were drawn. So our guys formed new congregations along those lines. Apartheid went in the 1990s but each congregation had it's borders. So it was pointed out that this wasn't good enough, boundaries changed, and where possible, we went door to door in mixed race pairs. Invitations to eachy other's home were extended. In many cases, the blacks were very poor, and the whites wealthy, but the white folks took what they were offered and enjoyed it. Then the invite was returned and a poor black family might walk up to a fabulous house and be welcomed in and fed in style. The effect on the neighbours in each case was that they noticed thatr we were actually trying to practise what we preached.

When it comes to land reform there, I've heard the whites offer the defence that "Black people can't manage, so they need the whites to manage (farms, plantations)." I think the Black guys just need management training, and perhaps more self discipline. The difference is in nurture, not nature.
 
Old 07-19-2021, 11:47 AM   #9936
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I like this quote:

"Religions were not made for (God|gods). They were made for man."

Your thoughts?
 
Old 07-19-2021, 11:51 AM   #9937
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I like this quote:

"Religions were not made for (God|gods). They were made for man."

Your thoughts?
That reads a bit like Jesus's comment on sabbath-keeping: "The sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath." Also relevant perhaps is St. Augustine's prayer: "Thou hast made us for Thyself and our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee."
 
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I like this quote:

"Religions were not made for (God|gods). They were made for man."

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"Religion makers, Father and Son", Co.
 
Old 07-19-2021, 12:37 PM   #9939
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Again; if you were raised in a box, you'd believe whatever we tell you! I fear it's too late for ya kool aid gulpers? Should just label yous, more insane; and, take your kids.edu

Kids are raised in your box! (Me to: it's her choice, unless he grew it in a lab!)

"A Jew, a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist, an Agnostic and an Atheist all walk into a restaurant...
They talk, laugh, drink and become good friends. It's not a joke, it's what happens when you're" all morons. (Also-again, not exuding anyone.)

'Things' shouldn't need to evolve if we weren't all idiots on crappy hardware?

https://www.newyorker.com/science/ma...s-are-so-smart

So-rude to be right! Or was I raised here too?

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Old 07-19-2021, 03:08 PM   #9940
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I'm not going to start. But I don't agree with much of the last few posts
 
Old 07-25-2021, 11:06 AM   #9941
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Another very old one. This is the third post I am reading today which has been alive for more than 10 years. I have been away really long I understand now.
 
Old 07-25-2021, 02:45 PM   #9942
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They talk, laugh, drink and become good friends.
Drinking is a serious sin in Buddhism. Muslim don't drink either.

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https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/0...rtner-churches

Isn't anybody interested in God anymore?
  • Who God is
  • What his purpose is?
  • What his plans fot the immediate future are?
  • Why he currently allows things to be as they are?
  • What he intends to do about it? etc.
 
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That link is rather shocking. Mind you, Hillsong has acquired a somewhat dubious reputation of late. They produce some good worship music; our Gospel Choir has used some of their songs. But I don't trust any "megachurch", even when it's not American. Jesus said that the road with many people on it is the road to hell!
 
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True. 'Hell' is a dubious translation, but we'll take that up on PM if you like. Too much Industrial Noise on this thread. But I agree on many religions not making the cut.

Even taking a very conservative estimate of earliest population, let's presume each of those early long-lived generations had 10 kids, which would make 5 couples. So Adam & Eve were 2:Next generation would be 10;then 50;250;1250; 6,250; 31,250; 156,250; 781,250; 3,906,250. Noah was the 9th in line from Adam, so he'd have been one of those 3,906,250. There would have been attrition due to crime, but there was also polygamy. Of those ≅ 4 Million, 8 were saved through the Flood.

In Genesis 19, the cities of Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, & Zeboiim (total estimated population of 5,000-10,000?) 3 were saved, Lot and his two daughters. The account makes clear that only Lot was judged righteous, but got to take his family out, although his wife didn't make the cut.

Similarly in Jericho. Rahab alone was judged righteous, but got to take her extended family out.

In 70 CE, Jerusalem was destroyed. The survivors had left in 66CE - a few hundred Christians who all fitted into Pella. Josephus records 1.1 Million killed or starved, and 97,000 captives when the Romans returned in 70CE. The captives weren't survivors. 10,000 died on the march to Caesarea; 2,500 died at games for Domitian's birthday; any young & strong were sent as slaves to the Egyptian mines to be worked to death; the remainder went to arenas around the Empire as animal snack food, with some reserved to be killed at Titus' Triumph. Any captured by Roman soldiers found their way to the Egyptian slave markets.

So, if Armageddon happened tomorrow, I'd expect an awful number of billions to lose their lives. Hence the urgency we place on the preaching & teaching work.

EDIT: Noah was actually the 10th in line, not the 9th. Jude says that Enoch was the 7th in line from Adam He fathered Methuselsah, Noah's Grandfather.

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