The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by Arcane I am well aware of Christian Gnosticism religion which also says that God has Mother and|or Father figure. But there are more. Like from book "The little book of Big Ideas"

That has nothing to do with the fact that religion is about Creation of Everything, not just humans. Granted humans are conceitedly portrayed as the Crown of Creation because humans are commonly self-centered. Shoot! We are so arrogant we imagine that God looks just like us - "in his own image". <facepalm>

Originally Posted by Arcane Oh really?

Your quote of the original, starter post in this thread doesn't even have the word "human" in it. It says nothing to support your contention that this thread is primarily about Origins of Humans.

Originally Posted by Arcane Why are you enorbet and jamison20000 bullying people like me what to think and what to believe? You deliberatly select everything i write just to try debunk. But while i not have real arguments for God you not have real arguments against God. DRAW

This is now the second tread in which you claim I have bullied you and it is just as mistaken as the first. Attacking your arguments is not equal to attacking you. I am in no way trying to get you to make the same conclusions as I have. If anything I am trying to help you see that if you don't develop critical thought, which requires evidence and reason, and instead continue to make huge leaps to unwarranted conclusions AND citing fiction movies and questionable youtube videos as your only defense, NOBOY will ever take you seriously. It is not my fault that such behaviour makes people appear foolish, but it is your choice.

However, just how many people are going to have to tell you this before you get it? You have singled out Jamison and I, yet on your "Anyone Can Make a Difference" thread at least three other members have told you the same thing, one far more harshly than Jamison or I have done. Within the entire "General" sub-forum I'm pretty confidant I could find and list a dozen more. Just maybe that should tell you something valuable. I sincerely hope it does. I have never bullied anyone in my life and I'm not about to start with you. I am just not phony. That's all.

Originally Posted by enorbet That has nothing to do with the fact that religion is about Creation of Everything, not just humans. Granted humans are conceitedly portrayed as the Crown of Creation because humans are commonly self-centered. Shoot! We are so arrogant we imagine that God looks just like us - "in his own image". <facepalm>{...}

WTF? I never wrote(but i was told at school times) humans are crown of creation(i like fairy tale characters like unicorns and dragons etc. equally as humans) cause we are not perfect(otherwise we would not fall into state of sin or whatever it is why we not know reality) by default setting. I dunno where you get those assumptions about me. Read my older posts in this thread. But i have come to valid conclusion that there is perfect(actual ALLKNOWING ALLPOWERFULL and ALLCARING)(if you ever played YuGiOh you will understand my point) Deity which is not God or Devil or Aliens or even Gaia and other "gods|goddesses"(they are close but no cigar). I just not sure about details because i have limited brain and body unqualified to understand. Also i never said Creator of humans are precisely like human beings. In order for me to say(write) i must be expert in religion but i am not. But this is title. For this reason it makes sense that only fake Deity would force people to pray aka worship him|her|it. Real Deity would not force people to feed him|her|it. It should be by choice. Otherwise it is cult.

And there exists intellectual bullying. It is similar to trying to force someone like me to take blame for those movies including term "fallen". Which i had nothing to do.

Fairy tales, unknowables; facts!

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Fairy tales, unknowables; facts!

And what is wrong with "fairy tales"? Have you ever watched stuff like Hercules and Xena? Co:Existance is better than trying to convince everyone it is 'fairy tale'. Nowaday life of humans are boring because of it. As i wrote i never wrote humans are crown of creation. I vote that humans together with nonhumans are crown of creation.

If you want to perceive a world without villains as boring, go ahead be part of the problem!

But, don't worry your fairy tales aren't going away anytime soon...

Originally Posted by jamison20000e If you want to perceive a world without villains as boring, go ahead be part of the problem! But, don't worry your fairy tales aren't going away anytime soon...

What does that even mean? You want world without villains or you think villains are no-boredom? Your posts are confusing. Are you sure you are not Malkavian relative? And i am not part of problem i am trying to be part of solution.

I am not worried.

In your fairy tales good always comes with evil! It's like these silly-a$$ laws that humans make, don't kill people unless your us and have the death penalty and send people to war‽ Stupid gets stupid!

The reason you don't talk religion or politics with strangers is because they're where the stupidity lies...

But, on the other hand your fairy tales are evolving so maybe someday they won't have evil in them, after the stupid is all killed‽

PostScript: just because I didn't quote your words in post 9070 doesn't mean you shouldn't relate 9071 to it...

Hazel said.

But in the end, I found most of his arguments irrelevant because in my experience, no one starts by postulating God as a scientific hypothesis and then decides to try and develop a personal relationship with Him. At least, I've never met such a person and I know quite a lot of Christians. There were mediaeval textbooks that worked like that; concepts like the First Cause and the Prime Mover would certainly have been familiar to Thomas Aquinas. But for most religious people, it's the other way around. We start with our own experience of God and then see confirmation of his existence and nature in the majesty and orderliness of the universe, its amazing suitability for life, the pervasiveness of rationality (why after all should the universe be comprehensible to science?), the experience we all have every day of moral absolutes that require our obedience by adding a mysterious "ought to" to science's "is". And of course the experience of finding God speaking to us through the Scriptures and through prayer.

Once a person has sincerely heard what has been said by the Lord, whether in His presence when He was on earth, or by personal faith on what is written in the scriptures, than that person can truly know by personal experience the truth concerning God, of creation and other matters of importance to mankind.

Hazel then said.

Maybe the only answer is the one Philip gave to Nathanael: come and see for yourself.

Here is the account that Hazel referred to:

"Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.... Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. And Nathanael said unto him, Can any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see."

John 1:35-39 and 45-46, King James Version. Note by greencedar: John was John the Baptist. The tenth hour in Jewish chronology is 4:00 pm in Western time.

In John 1:35-51 (read the full account by yourself),we have an eyewitness account of men who sincerely wanted to find truth by a personal talk with the Lord Jesus. Nathanael was skeptical at first, but, as Nathanael saw, and heard, and experienced firsthand the character of the Lord Jesus, he was convinced that indeed Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, as spoken by Moses and the Old Testament prophets. In this short story we notice that the men were eyewitness, heard with their own ears, a written account (the book of John), was written of that encounter. The account, as most accounts in the scripture, shows us that these men were sincere men,though initially skeptical,were seeking truth as revealed by Moses and the prophets and found it. Indeed, as Nathanael, we need to "come and see."

• Prove any of it!!!

That's quite simply all we ask and quite simply never will be done, thank you!
And, that's only one fairy tail in one religion not all the other religions,,, never going to happen so evolve with us as you already are!

Oh by the way was that the new testament you were quoting or the old one?!.

And there I was thinking you were an educated man! New Testament of course.

Originally Posted by Arcane WTF? I never wrote(but i was told at school times) humans are crown of creation(i like fairy tale characters like unicorns and dragons etc. equally as humans) cause we are not perfect(otherwise we would not fall into state of sin or whatever it is why we not know reality) by default setting. I dunno where you get those assumptions about me. Read my older posts in this thread. But i have come to valid conclusion that there is perfect(actual ALLKNOWING ALLPOWERFULL and ALLCARING)(if you ever played YuGiOh you will understand my point) Deity which is not God or Devil or Aliens or even Gaia and other "gods|goddesses"(they are close but no cigar). I just not sure about details because i have limited brain and body unqualified to understand. Also i never said Creator of humans are precisely like human beings. In order for me to say(write) i must be expert in religion but i am not. But this is title. For this reason it makes sense that only fake Deity would force people to pray aka worship him|her|it. Real Deity would not force people to feed him|her|it. It should be by choice. Otherwise it is cult. And there exists intellectual bullying. It is similar to trying to force someone like me to take blame for those movies including term "fallen". Which i had nothing to do.

Geez Arcane I was talking about the topic of this thread, Religion and Faith and all of Creation, and the only relation to you was countering your assertion it was just about creation or origins of homo sapiens. Everything isn't about you, right? Furthermore, even intellectual bullying is a personal attack NOT a counter to one's ideas. I have indeed attacked your assertions but I have only very rarely ever slipped into anything personal. Like anyone else, I also do have my limits in dealing with what seems inane to me. I apologize for any previous slips with you and I'm committed to either dealing only with your ideas or rather feelings.

Please do cease in portraying the victim of bullying. It can be difficult for anyone to avoid exasperation when you seem so intractably self-contained, rigidly impervious to even consider any alternatives to your personal dogma. It rarely feels like conversation or debate. It can be like talking to a wall whose foundation is largely fictional. Over the course of several threads I get the impression that you feel very isolated, and I've been trying to offer a suggestion that you examine just why that is, in the hope you may come to some conclusion that may improve that condition, whether perception or actual reality.

Despite your perception so far, I actually wish you well, Arcane. I sincerely do hope you come to realize that.

Originally Posted by hazel And there I was thinking you were an educated man! New Testament of course.

As an educated lady you know that wasn't quite the point of the post, as we evolve, now was it?!.

I can't say I quite recall as to whether or not it was the new testament or the old we were studying in Sunday school, late 70s early 80s as I tuned much of it out as poppycock! Too bad we aren't all as educated in reality...