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Old 08-11-2019, 07:37 PM   #8791
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:38 PM   #8792
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Opinions are beliefs and get opinions, reality stays the same!
 
Old 08-12-2019, 12:42 AM   #8793
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Opinions are beliefs and get opinions, reality stays the same!
Not sure what you mean with post but i am just reminding that there are questions of taste and questions of reality. There is difference between opinion and observation, theory and fact. If we talk about, for example(because bandwagon atm), Harry Potter books or Twilight movies then it is opinion if they are good or bad cause it includes BIAS but when it comes to human origin or other reality events it is no longer question of personal preference aka either it is true or not. None has prooved for whole planet existance or nonexistance of validity of holy books yet. What some are trying to do in this thread is trying to make people doubt their own personal valid real experiences. I can assure you that driving a vehicle with problematic suspension on problematic roads with pits and|or patches will give you low back pain sooner or later. That is not opinion. It is reality. Same goes for chakras. If i have them..so do rest of people.

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Old 08-12-2019, 05:56 AM   #8794
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Why is ther stuff in outer space, why does it sometimes randomly pierce the atmosphere on Earth?

Same reason why it happens on Mars or why trees drop seeds and always have.

Don't think we are mightier than gnats, we aren't!

Earths come and Earths go just like opinions and religions... reach down and run your fingers through the grass! Enjoy it while it lasts because I guarantee when we die we all won't know what's hexed!

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Old 08-12-2019, 02:02 PM   #8795
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Since I stated I will not respond to Arcane's posts unless he quotes me or otherwise addresses me directly so he doesn't feel bullied, I will just answer the implied question directly.

So-called "holy books" are just books and hold no special authority just because someone(s) added the "holy" adjective. They still have to stand or fall on their own merit. "Turtles all the way down" may seem cartoonish but only to us now. At least one holy book claimed the Universe actually did rest on the back of a turtle. That is now obviously of zero merit. It wasn't to it's believers.

Just an example, Darwin's "Origin of Species" book was long rejected by European nobility because from their bias, it gave far too much importance to females to alter the future by selecting a mate. Later, it stood at a huge crossroads that could have utterly destroyed it when DNA was discovered and we began to understand how genetics passes traits on to succeeding generations. Instead Evolution was strengthened in ways Darwin could not have imagined in the wildest of fever dreams.

Furthermore what is described as "make people doubt their own personal valid real experiences" is an essential part of arriving at real conclusions for the verified reason that our senses are interpreted by our brains and we very often get that wrong because our brains depend on Frame of Reference. This is exactly why such cliches as "Two heads are better than one" has any value. One example I have had to repeat many times here is that we observe nightfall and our frame of reference interprets the experience as "the sun going down". Testing of this experience and counter theories began as far back as 400 BCE. Evidence for rotation slowly advanced over the centuries while no evidence accrued to falsify that theory until it culminated in direct observation from Space where the rotation can be directly observed.

From the ground it still looks like the sun going down, but "the eyes in his head see the world spinning 'round". The "eyes in our heads" do see the processes that were once thought to be caused by chakras but zero evidence for chakras has ever been discovered. It's just a way some people still interpret their experience, just as most of us still use "sundown" as equivalent to nightfall, but at least sundown is a known convention and not thought of by anyone as fact... well... excepting maybe Flat Earthers but those people are provably insane or carnival side-show hucksters.
 
Old 08-15-2019, 08:08 AM   #8796
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Blind lead the blind!

Life can be like, iodine crystals forming on a cold cap over boiling pressure from a liquid state; just don't add ammonia!

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Old 08-15-2019, 10:35 AM   #8797
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So-called "holy books" are just books and hold no special authority just because someone(s) added the "holy" adjective. They still have to stand or fall on their own merit. "Turtles all the way down" may seem cartoonish but only to us now. At least one holy book claimed the Universe actually did rest on the back of a turtle. That is now obviously of zero merit. It wasn't to it's believers.
And there, you have it. I miss lucifer. You know his name in original scripture is the " Light Bringer "

Greeks showed also how knowledge can be demonized by the Gods for being given to us stupid people.

People are Bad = The Devil Made me do it.

Roll eyes every time I read I read about this online. Down South Here.
" Mean Sumbitch " is a human being. I see no devil present.
Cuz some folks are just plain twisted.

All these rulebooks and still Mean Folks walk the earth. Why? Some Folks are just plain twisted. Some in more degrees than others.

It is why I live in the boonies. Less stress without church involved.
Churches are clubs for like minded people.
Like the lions,shriners, and moose club.

Don't fault me if I don't want to play. But it seems Hell is automatic for mind sets like mine. According to any club members. Funny how when money is involved.
I become the enemy because I wish to keep mine.
Learned that lesson as a adolescent in a parochial school environment.

So it is not like I don't know religion. Just like USMC boot camp. You are OK as long as you stick with the program. Deviate. You are now many negative expletives
with a bleak future ahead of you.

Edit; I don't function like other people when faced with absolutes. I am fearless mostly. But boot camp kept me on my toes. I did not re-enlist.

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Old 08-15-2019, 01:53 PM   #8798
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And there, you have it. I miss lucifer. You know his name in original scripture is the " Light Bringer "
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Edit; I don't function like other people when faced with absolutes. I am fearless mostly. But boot camp kept me on my toes. I did not re-enlist.
So Lucifer and Devil and Satan are different? But your sentence prooved my point. Some miss Lucifer..some follow God|Devil some worship Satan..some seek Deity..some take path of Nature or Sun..either way we all seek something beyond our 100 year limited life on this planet. Even atheists believe in something greated than fleshbone body. Otherwise Spaghetti monster to hide behind would not exist.

I also have same issue. I also function differently from other people, at least my body is different, so i got laughed at at school times for not fitting in properly and still not fit in 1:1. This got me wondering why human body is so complex like it was created yet so pathetic cause of fleshbone body..cause it turns out that russian video idea was correct even before i stumbled i felt something in that direction. Humanity is more that fleshbloodbone bodies. We just either forgot about our true bodies and purpose or was made to forget..by 'ruling elite'.

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Their children's books made for adults, dude!
 
  


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