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Old 07-14-2019, 08:50 PM   #8611
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Yeah, but multiply that with 7+ billion

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Old 07-14-2019, 08:55 PM   #8612
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Perhaps we could all be gods, mwahaha!
 
Old 07-15-2019, 02:02 AM   #8613
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Perhaps we could all be gods, mwahaha!
Maybe. But as i already wrote..let's assume we not have Heaven but have Hell because Adam and Eve took "apple" or 'pear' or whatever to teach humanity lesson about Good and Evil. Then why nowaday people with such experience(we live in information age) not have second choice? As i said if there is some god that is fair then why not put "fruit" on table and say if you won't eat it people will go heaven and if will then stay in hell. I can almost guarantee a lot of people will not take fruit..including me. Cause this artice might be right..also there are similarities between multiple cinema themes like krypton chamber and matrix pods and etc.

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Old 07-15-2019, 05:17 AM   #8614
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Maybe. But as i already wrote..let's assume we not have Heaven but have Hell because Adam and Eve took "apple" or 'pear' or whatever to teach humanity lesson about Good and Evil. Then why nowaday people with such experience(we live in information age) not have second choice? As i said if there is some god that is fair then why not put "fruit" on table and say if you won't eat it people will go heaven and if will then stay in hell. I can almost guarantee a lot of people will not take fruit..including me. Cause this artice might be right..also there are similarities between multiple cinema themes like krypton chamber and matrix pods and etc.
You're forgetting the fact that god doesn't really exist. He's made up, over time by people; that's why there's so many religious-theories and gods. All - not provable - without faith!!!

Maid-up by the $ame people you* say $houldn't have a choice in the end?

Quick look under the bed or is it in the closet, damn demons quit-it!!!

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Old 07-15-2019, 05:41 AM   #8615
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Furthermore, if you believe in god( or gods) because we're all stupid at times( and conglomeratlly, worse just look back every 200 years or better yet forward; then there will be more proof(!)) then you'd be forsaking the gods that literally came before your gods. Nope the old gods made your guns, whoops guys my favorite pony god...

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Old 07-15-2019, 01:52 PM   #8616
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Maybe. But as i already wrote..let's assume we not have Heaven but have Hell because Adam and Eve took "apple" or 'pear' or whatever to teach humanity lesson about Good and Evil. Then why nowaday people with such experience(we live in information age) not have second choice? As i said if there is some god that is fair then why not put "fruit" on table and say if you won't eat it people will go heaven and if will then stay in hell. I can almost guarantee a lot of people will not take fruit..including me. Cause this artice might be right..also there are similarities between multiple cinema themes like krypton chamber and matrix pods and etc.
Do you not see the assumptions made even before your assumption that Heaven doesn't exist but Hell does?... and especially if eternal torment to such a place is warranted simply by eating a fruit, not one that is poisonous or in any way bad for you, but placed in your presence, on purpose, by some entity who tells us "No! Why? Because I said so". This is the petulant childish behaviour of The Supreme Being? Yeah. We, not only as a species but as individuals are so important to the Cosmos and it's Creator that He/She/It that can create Universe(s) needs our absolute subservience and worship. Talk about self-important Ego! from BOTH parties. Sheesh!

Oh and of course if we say "Shazam!" or "Abracadabra!" with enough focus and conviction major magical changes ensue. Oh wait! and one of these days Sheldon (or anyone else who studies and practices really hard) will put his index fingers to his temple and think real hard and people's heads will explode like in Scanners.

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Old 07-15-2019, 02:38 PM   #8617
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Not to mention hell wouldn't be sh!t after the first zillion years,
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:34 PM   #8618
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"Be careful when you fight with monsters that you don't become one yourself, and remember when you look into the abyss the abyss looks into you." Nietszche

religion has become the monster, it has been a monster for a long long time
 
Old 07-16-2019, 02:26 AM   #8619
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So I downloaded TempleOS and tried to install Agnostic 20.19, but it complained that it couldn't find libgod.200BC.so So then I tried to install firm believer 1.0, it said there was a conflict between libchristianity.so, libislam.so, libqur'an.so, libbible.so and libreligion.so, and therefore firm believer 1.0 could not be installed.

So I tried to install Atheist 20.19 instead, it said "Exec format error".

So I gave up on it, what a waste of time...
 
Old 07-16-2019, 12:04 PM   #8620
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You're forgetting the fact that god doesn't really exist. He's made up, over time by people; that's why there's so many religious-theories and gods. All - not provable - without faith!!!

Maid-up by the $ame people you* say $houldn't have a choice in the end?

Quick look under the bed or is it in the closet, damn demons quit-it!!!
1) I was simply making valid point..in case it is true.
2) If God|Devil does not exist why we are tricked|forced|tried to be convinced they do and we have to pray? Isn't being good|bad enough?
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Not to mention hell wouldn't be sh!t after the first zillion years,
I'd have to just take over like right away! Attachment 30908
This supports my comments about framery|set up.. If teams have leaders who said they will not be tried to be overthrown by (all) member(s)?
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"Be careful when you fight with monsters that you don't become one yourself, and remember when you look into the abyss the abyss looks into you." Nietszche{...}
Nonsense. Only reason why young people like me can't fight monsters is cause too much and not enough resources etc.

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Old 07-18-2019, 06:19 AM   #8621
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[QUOTE=jsbjsb001;6015444]So I downloaded TempleOS and tried to install Agnostic 20.19, but it complained that it couldn't find libgod.200BC.so So then I tried to install firm believer 1.0, it said there was a conflict between libchristianity.so, libislam.so, libqur'an.so, libbible.so and libreligion.so, and therefore firm believer 1.0 could not be installed.

So I tried to install Atheist 20.19 instead, it said "Exec format error".

So I gave up on it, what a waste of time...
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:20 AM   #8622
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We wouldn't need to fight monsters if we'd stop making them... what is it that Fairytales get?

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Old 07-18-2019, 09:47 AM   #8623
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Enorbet asked in another thread what I meant by "rational faith" as he doesn't believe in the existence of any such thing, despite having been given a fairly good example of it earlier in the thread (#3). So I thought I'd post my own definition here.

Rational faith means believing something because the evidence in favour of it seems to you more convincing than the evidence against (that's why it's rational), while accepting that other honest and intelligent people might come to a different conclusion (that's why it's called faith and not knowledge). In the case of religious faith, that evidence might include personal religious experience, the experiences of other people whom you trust, historical evidence (how could the apostles ever have got away with the claim that Jesus had risen from the dead when the whole of Jerusalem could go and check out whether his tomb was actually empty or not?), and the degree to which the existence of God explains other things that you feel need explanation:
Why does the world even exist? Why should there be anything rather than nothing?
How does it come to be comprehensible to minds like ours, and so orderly and predictable that science can actually determine how it works?
How come that all the fundamental constants have values that have allowed life to develop here on earth when a difference in the second decimal place in most of them would make that impossible?
Where does reason come from? We routinely discount arguments that we can trace to irrational causes ("You only believe that because....") so how could our own reason arise purely from an irrational mess of electrochemical tissue?
Where do right and wrong come from? Feelings about right and wrong might be planted in us by evolution, but how could they possibly correspond to anything real that would justify us taking note of them?

I find it rational to believe in God in the face of all this but, like MensaWater in the other thread, I call it belief and not knowledge because I can't prove it conclusively to someone who is determined to believe the opposite.
 
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Right and wrong won't mean diddly if we just make sh!t up. Look out, santa is under the bed with a 12 yr old; those idiots will faith in anything... WAR!\bore
 
Old 07-18-2019, 10:29 AM   #8625
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Faith like education is make believe but one doesn't need allow suckers!!!
 
  


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