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Old 09-19-2017, 04:28 PM   #8011
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My son recently visited relatives in Atlanta and was asked to accompany them to a "grand mass" of some 10,000 people who were treated to a fully choreographed religious show complete with electric music and preaching to an orgasmic build to climax and a "blowoff" to a sea of heart-grasping, hand-waving acolytes all with eyes either closed or cast upward or both. While each individual there surely had his own views, it is just as certain that those who chose to go, consider themselves as part of an integrated whole. That is the purpose of dogma - Identity. Anything, just so long as we can count you among Us. Pavlov might be proud.
I have likewise witnessed such "Jesus™ Shows," and the only thing that I can say about them is that they surely have an audience.

Nevertheless –*there will always be an un-countable number of people who "don't attend."

Religion has always been "such a profoundly-powerful influencer of human thought and behavior" that men will never cease to seek to mold it to their own purposes – whatever those purposes might be. The organizers of a 21st Century worship-show, or the political devisings of a canny Roman Emperor. Although I do not wish, by making such an odd comparison, to suggest that I think that the two parties being compared are in any way comparable, I do mean to observe the phenomenal social power of the institution of religion.

We will never change this fundamental dynamic.
 
Old 09-19-2017, 08:00 PM   #8012
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poppycock we can only imagine living the past 5,000 years, that's currently as old as recorded history... we could try to imagine 5,000 years from now but guess what!
 
Old 09-20-2017, 03:29 AM   #8013
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I have likewise witnessed such "Jesus™ Shows," and the only thing that I can say about them is that they surely have an audience.

Nevertheless –*there will always be an un-countable number of people who "don't attend."
Religion has always been "such a profoundly-powerful influencer of human thought and behavior" that men will never cease to seek to mold it to their own purposes – whatever those purposes might be. The organizers of a 21st Century worship-show, or the political devisings of a canny Roman Emperor. Although I do not wish, by making such an odd comparison, to suggest that I think that the two parties being compared are in any way comparable, I do mean to observe the phenomenal social power of the institution of religion.
We will never change this fundamental dynamic.
Regardless of the "number of people that don't attend", in fact regardless of petty differences (I once heard a lady denigrate a Baptist church because it wasn't truly Southern Baptist) individual Christians still largely do consider all Christians "birds of a feather". I imagine despite the faction differences like Sunni and Shiite most proponents of Islam likely consider all who revere Islam having more in common than not, and so on for others.

I have known a variety of Jewish people and they joke about their differences but think of themselves with mutual identity. I have a few Muslim friends but here in the USA the greatest numbers seem to be Christians so my experience is quite limited outside that so I would like to know if my speculation for those has any merit.

The fact remains that the two largest groups with which I've had contact with individuals of the Faith plus what I read says those two do indeed embrace a similar identity, allowing for minor differences. So the views of the actual people seem to feel some sense of Oneness with the larger whole and this is largely a result of dogma in my experience.

So I still differ with you on that concept, that, as you seemed to state, dogma is at best a subset. It seems to me to be the essential part... the "cake" if you will, and the rest is just a flavor of frosting.
 
Old 09-20-2017, 04:31 AM   #8014
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Religions could be great for the communities* if not for all the cultish fairy tail poppycock and such a wussy fear of death one would be so blind!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_centre

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Old 09-20-2017, 04:54 AM   #8015
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Ironically you'd say I've a closed mind but unless you're willing to believe in all fairy tales, nope.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 10:08 AM   #8016
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Teach them dumb!

You are all atheist for not believing in every conceivable fairy tail!!! (Thanks for stupidity, tho WE don't allow it in school... (I wish over all ))

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If yous can't support why you were taught a certain way,,, simply because, doy that's the way I was taught derr, then WE are morons...
 
  


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