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Old 07-12-2017, 09:29 PM   #7846
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denial and projection - rationalization and justification runs rapid in the minds of them that have no real idea on how to find the truth and accept it because they are to damn scared to let go of what they think they are really doing. which is controlling their own lives.

When in fact they are not. No one really is. they are always doing something that someone else told them they can or cannot do, therefore giving in to letting them be controlled by the others as a result of it. When man allows himself to be controlled by another man regardless if he acknowledges this control or not.

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Although you make such judgments, BW, and although they entirely represent your judgments and conclusions which are perfectly-legitimately coming from you, I think that you should also be willing to check yourself: to acknowledge that in saying these things you are projecting your sincerely-held convictions upon other people. When, in fact, they come from "an entirely different perspective, history, and everything-else from 'yours'."

. . .

. . .

(Namely, "theirs!")

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(And, please of-course understand that I am not "throwing you under the bus," here. Fact is, we all do it.)
 
Old 07-12-2017, 09:41 PM   #7847
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Although you make such judgments, BW, and although they entirely represent your judgments and conclusions which are perfectly-legitimately coming from you, I think that you should also be willing to check yourself: to acknowledge that in saying these things you are projecting your sincerely-held convictions upon other people. When, in fact, they come from "an entirely different perspective, history, and everything-else from 'yours'."

. . .

. . .

(Namely, "theirs!")

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(And, please of-course understand that I am not "throwing you under the bus," here. Fact is, we all do it.)
I am on my phone so I will make this href let me remind you that you are in the religious thread where your belifd have no place in here yet you and all of the others of your own god given freewill choose to come in here to not only denounce religion but to reinforce your own delusions between each other. This is not a thread titled for atheist
 
Old 07-12-2017, 11:08 PM   #7848
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We all throw around a lot of opinions here unlike the fact you never eat again you die but seems there are so many religious you can't deny their opinions; you can deny it to yourself but not the world!

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Old 07-13-2017, 02:17 AM   #7849
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I am on my phone so I will make this brief. Let me remind you that you are in the religious thread where your beliefs have no place in here yet you and all of the others of your own god given freewill choose to come in here to not only denounce religion but to reinforce your own delusions between each other. This is not a thread titled for atheist
Sorry, BW, but this is the "faith and religion" thread, not the "religious people and faithful Christians" thread. Anyone, whether he is Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Agnostic or Atheist, is free to post his/her opinions here, as long as he/she has something interesting to say about religion. But I think it would be a better thread if people did not flame other people so much and we could all discuss matters with more mutual respect.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 08:03 AM   #7850
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I think it would be a better thread if people did not flame other people so much and we could all discuss matters with more mutual respect.
Definitely so, Hazel.

Gentlebeings,™ remember that "faith and religion" is a profoundly personal, profoundly sensitive, and sometimes also a profoundly divisive subject. Some people (and this is no sideways reference to anyone here ...) have been taught intolerance since a very early age. But, here we are here to talk about this subject.

So, "if you think that someone is going to Hell," that's between them and their god (God), or lack thereof ... not you. If you vehemently disagree with someone else's opinion, don't express that disagreement "vehemently," except maybe in a private-message to that person.

Don't post here on your first cup of coffee in the morning, or your last beer.

"Real People here," talking about a sensitive but intriguing subject. Treat them with R-E-S-P-E-C-T.™ So that this thread can run for another 524 pages.

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Old 07-13-2017, 08:47 AM   #7851
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Sorry, BW, but this is the "faith and religion" thread, not the "religious people and faithful Christians" thread. Anyone, whether he is Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Agnostic or Atheist, is free to post his/her opinions here, as long as he/she has something interesting to say about religion. But I think it would be a better thread if people did not flame other people so much and we could all discuss matters with more mutual respect.

Ignorance is not always bliss.

Atheism is not a Religion. DO you even know what needs to be present in order for a belief system to be qualified as a Religion?

a real atheist will even tell you he is NOT a religious man nor does he have faith.

Agnostic are not religious either,

again just throwing everything under the sun into one big pot and the truth just gets lost within it thinking. so wonder them that do this can never find the truth.

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Religion:

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

as long as he/she has something interesting to say about religion.

that is not even being done by the Atheist in here it is all bashing Religion (mostly Christianity) and about their NON religious beliefs.

this IS not a statement from a religious person
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Believing (and staying fooled into) any false "gods" other than the only God, life and reality,,, makes yous the creator of your devil and sin (preached) as fairy tails need babies to sacrifice.

Pascal's Wager says, *slit *the *babies *through *to *your *dark *lord *or *you'll *be *sorry!

You can't have your version of good without more opinions as they are unless the new, new, new, moo testament is out?
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evolution is not a Religion.

nor is this from another

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Where among all this, is the Immortal Soul? IMHO Religion or Spirituality can't even come close to what is truly as awe inspiring as what we now know and also know as mystery. This is Magnificent Grandeur and it's real.
denouncing all regions and people that say they are spiritual.

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Old 07-13-2017, 12:54 PM   #7852
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evolution is not a Religion.

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Nope. A religion is an opinion you may or maynot be born into and keep and\or evolve as any opinions do, whereas evolution is a fact or put down that CPU (unless a server don't hurt your back!) Undeniably-biologically—too unless the opinions cloud your judgement...

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Old 07-13-2017, 02:22 PM   #7853
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Jamison, I would counter that "religion is a belief, not an opinion."

An "opinion," as I use the word, is "of or about something (or some subject)," and it is based on facts or perceptions that you have accumulated about the same. A "belief," on the other hand, simply is. Belief doesn't seek justification from any source. It is unconstrained by what it might discuss. It "boldly goes" where neither science nor philosophy can go, and is very powerful for that very reason. ("I don't require a path from here to there – I'll just walk right through the air.")

"'I believe it,™' for reasons (if any) that are known only to me, and I'm freely entitled to do so, and if I'm wrong then I'll be the only one of us who winds up in Hell, stoking the boilers that power the devil's own generators that power the heavenly PA system that's broadcasting your never-ending harp lessons."

And, I think, "if you 'believe' whatever-it-is, who am I (or anyone) to tell you that you're 'wrong?'" You're not. It's that simple.

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Old 07-13-2017, 02:58 PM   #7854
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If a believe is contrary to others* beliefs and more importantly facts like we humans only breath underwater same as in vacuums with a way of "air," then it is indeed an opinion... faith in an opinion makes it nothing more but still if you "wish" (plus otherwise) part in evolution,,, bloody or not.edu

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Old 07-13-2017, 03:17 PM   #7855
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Anything that is not a fact to all will either become one or is opinion (ie faith in a belief) like racism or where there's more money, the unprovable$ eg once we die will we still discuss surf "gods" on cosmic waves‽!.

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Old 07-13-2017, 08:30 PM   #7856
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If a believe is contrary to others* beliefs and more importantly facts like we humans only breath underwater same as in vacuums with a way of "air," then it is indeed an opinion... faith in an opinion makes it nothing more but still if you "wish" (plus otherwise) part in evolution,,, bloody or not.edu
I respectfully disagree: "my beliefs are mine, alone." You are perfectly entitled to disagree with them, but disagreement does not make them wrong. It doesn't make them superior or inferior to you. You can consider that their beliefs lead them to embrace conclusions that you consider to be utterly false, but that still does not invalidate their prerogative to "believe" as they see fit.

Also – "belief" can be a very powerful thing, indeed. I sometimes haul 40-lb containers of soup alongside people who "believe" that in so doing they serve what others might consider to be nothing more than "a dead Jew." B-u-t, at least partially because of that "belief," there they are, feeding and bathing hungry people, night after night after night. An MD is there some nights, carrying with her the sort of bag that you might have supposed that doctors don't carry around anymore. And, so on.

So, "please, don't be too quick(!)" to dismiss the simple power of "belief!"

"Science," I grant you, is also a marvelous thing. But I would suggest that "there are vast swaths of Pragmatic Reality, of which Science still knows not." Science has its legitimate and valuable place. But, it is certainly not(!) the only mode of human thought – nor action – with which we should properly concern ourselves. I think that there are in fact many non-exclusive modes of human thought and action which are valid and important. Four of them are: science, philosophy, religion, and mercy.

If we cling too "religiously" to "science," I honestly think that we ask of "science" more than it can give. In particular, we ask it to "be everything." Which it can't. Like everything else, "science" has its place.

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Faith is NOT an option!

It is a conscious action by one person to put their "FAITH" into another person that they will do something with out proof that that other person will actually do it.

Whereas a belief can be proven true or false.

Option is : a thing that is or may be chosen

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You can poop in one hand and wish with the other but then are left with just poo...
 
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I find the poll misleading. What about a firmly believing theist?

edit: As one of this topic's tags is "war", I wonder if this is a good place to talk about how nobody with a sane mind should think that there is a "higher entity" which controls what happens on Earth. In fact, if there was such a "higher entity", it must be a sadistic asshole. (Never forget Syria & Yemen!)
Your only God should be your mind.

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I find the poll misleading. What about a firmly believing theist?

edit: As one of this topic's tags is "war", I wonder if this is a good place to talk about how nobody with a sane mind should think that there is a "higher entity" which controls what happens on Earth. In fact, if there was such a "higher entity", it must be a sadistic asshole. (Never forget Syria & Yemen!)

God is not a control freak He allows freewill, that is why we have wars and hate, and selfishness, because people do not want to believe in God enough to even obey his laws.

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then sights this for a god to be in ones mind?

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