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Old 07-11-2017, 10:11 PM   #7816
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Were we confused as babies more than teens or now?
 
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What of the days before what you were taught happened (so you don't fear control,) was "she" just twiddling "it's" thumbs or were they up "his" but wait "I'm" going to create chaos‽
I'm surprised you didn't ask exactly what was a "day" before the Earth and Sun existed? How does God, any God, measure a day? Does that imply he/she/it lives in a Universe with Stars and Planets revolving around them while rotating? More importantly, how would mere humans in this Universe know that? Oh that's right.... Magiq.
 
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the minds collapses in on itself when one have a mental break down - when stress becomes to much for a maladjusted ego system so it will start to break down and no longer function properly on its own.
neuroses -> psychosis

or when it has been filled with so many lies it cannot discern the truth anymore, or when a lie has been accepted as a truth and that 'false truth' is now used to govern ones thoughts and then that person makes faulty conclusions with faulty data but it accepts this faulty data and the conclusions as truths when in fact they are not, because that is what a lie does.

it causes neuroses and psychosis to the point that that one that suffers a lie to the point of psychosis no longer has freewill.

that is what Satan does, takes away ones freewill whereas God allows it.

this phenomenon does not always lead to neuroses then if it gets worse on to psychosis for that false truth to effect ones conclusions on data that they take it to process with their minds.

through rational thought the idea that the one wants to believe will be rationalized out and justified as a truth even if it is not. no matter how ridiculous these so called facts are.

Motivation plays it part in all of this, the why does the individual want to believe this and not the other?

what motivated that individual to deny everything else no matter what and hold on to his or hers belief in something?

what motivated that individual to change his or hers mind if such a thing happens?

Pride stops one from accepting their faults and admitting them then hopefully learning form them by not ridding themselves os same said faults so they can be made right.

Because the mind of man is suppose to be the truth, so when it thinks it has the truth that mind will deny anything else that contradicts what that mind thinks it a truth until proven wrong. Pride stops ones like this from actually rethinking what it is they believe as a truth out of fear of being wrong. because again the mind of man is suppose to be the truth therefore right about everything, therefore righteousness.

that is a effects of being the truth. Because Man is created in the Image of God and Gods plan was folded by Satan in the beginning, due to man accepting that lie that contradicted that truth he was given and accepted and acted upon as a result.


Man now has to find the truth himself, but it was given to him again by God - man still decided to not accept this truth having grown comfortable with the lie. because the lie too gives pleasure but the wrong kind of pleasure. it mimics the proper pleasure.

when one thinks he is right he experiences a certain amount of pleasure for being in this state of rightness.

when he finds out that this truth he thought was a truth is in fact no a truth then the mind goes though what is called denial and projection, It has to else it will suffer pain from being deprived of this pleasure it once had due to the lie it accepted as a truth.

So this fear of being wrong keeps pride intact and one in denial in order to keep that individual in a state of pleasure of thinking he or she is right. even when they are wrong. that is part of the effects of accepting a lie as a truth.

True Humility is needed in order for that to take place, else their pride will get the best of them and they will always be with fault. never truly right which leads to true righteousness.

man on his own can never reach true righteousness because he does not know the truth, He is only created to take in truths with the senses he has been given that do nothing but give him the truth, it is the mind of man that can rationalize it away so he can deny it.

thus never (always) accepting the truth (about everything) instead living a lie about himself.

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Old 07-12-2017, 09:03 AM   #7820
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I'm surprised you didn't ask exactly what was a "day" before the Earth and Sun existed? How does God, any God, measure a day?

Does that imply he/she/it lives in a Universe with Stars and Planets revolving around them while rotating? More importantly, how would mere humans in this Universe know that? Oh that's right.... Magiq.
God is eternal he has no need to measure a day. it does him no personal good whatsoever to say this is one day and tomorrow is another day. it is for mans benefit to measure the passage of time, because man lives and dies in it.

Whereas God does not. He does not live in this reality if he did then we'd see Him. Would we not? that is not to say he cannot revile himself if He chooses to.

If he could not then He not have even been able to do anything with the planets that He did. Then the reverse will be true - we'd not even be here.

He set the passage of time or did man set the passage of time? It, the passage of time is governed by what? the rotation of the sun and moon. yes?

God set the rotation of the sun and moon so......

As far as the planets and stars and sun and rocks they where already here, he just brought order to them, then created the heavens and earth. if you read Genesis you will see that what we call earth was already here and covered in water then tells what he did to this planted to make it a habitat for man and animal and every other living thing before he created mankind and every other living thing to live on this plant called earth.

as far a what was the exact date this took place?

to what benefit, even if one did know. What would that do for them that did know?

will it give them eternal life? no it will not, therefore it is a trivial thing to even want to know. Let alone spends ones entire life trying to find out thus missing what is really important.

As far as the sun itself was it here already or did God cause something to happen in order for it to be?

Does it really matter in the whole big scheme of things? No.

But I thought I'd toss that out there just for something to think about or not.

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Old 07-12-2017, 09:22 AM   #7821
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Those first few statements I was gonna congratulate you on your attempt at self improvement, then vampires came into play and you fell apart.
 
Old 07-12-2017, 09:25 AM   #7822
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Get over ourselves! https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/the-faith-and-religion-mega-thread-600689/page520.html#post5732584

The time that created MANY "gODS" is eternal!!!
 
Old 07-12-2017, 09:38 AM   #7823
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Those first few statements I was gonna congratulate you on your attempt at self improvement, then vampires came into play and you fell apart.
that is a perfect example of denial and projection rationalization and justification.

The first line of defense. The most primitive of the defense mechanisms.

"A defense mechanism is an unconscious psychological mechanism that reduces anxiety arising from unacceptable or potentially harmful stimuli."

DENIAL:
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When a situation or fact becomes too much to handle, you may simply refuse
to experience it. By denying reality, you are essentially protecting
yourself from the having to face and deal with the unpleasant consequences
and pain that accompany acceptance. If you tell yourself: “I’m just a
social drinker,” or that “every couple eventually loses the romance,” for
example, you are utilizing denial as a defense mechanism. And while this
may alleviate any short term pain, in the long run, denial can prevent you
from making positive change and can have potentially destructive
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psychological strategies brought into play by the unconscious mind[4] to
manipulate, deny, or distort reality in order to defend against feelings of
anxiety and unacceptable impulses and to maintain one's self-schema.[5]
These processes that manipulate, deny, or distort reality may include the
following: repression, or the burying of a painful feeling or thought from
one's awareness even though it may resurface in a symbolic form;[3]
identification, incorporating an object or thought into oneself;[6] and
rationalization, the justification of one's behavior and motivations by
substituting "good" acceptable reasons for the actual motivations.[3][7] In
psychoanalytic theory, repression is considered as the basis for other
defense mechanisms.
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https://www.tonyrobbins.com/mind-mea...se-mechanisms/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanisms

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Old 07-12-2017, 10:43 AM   #7824
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I think that it's important to remember that Genesis 1 is a poem. (Even if you do not speak the language, it is beautiful to hear it spoken or sung, as you can very easily do on the Internet.)

"And the evening and the morning were ..." is basically the chorus of this form of poetry.

This poem relates a "creation myth," of the Hebrew people or more-likely of a civilization much older. It is one of at least three (conflicting) creation myths found in the Bible.

My use of the word, "myth," is this one:
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Originally Posted by myth (n):
A traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
I don't think that it was ever meant to be taken "literally." Obviously, if there is no El Sol, 96 million miles away, the planet (out in the middle of nowhere, with nothing to orbit around) would not be covered even with frozen water, let alone "the Deep." (And, so on.) So, I feel no compulsion to take it literally, now. It is an enduring legacy wrought by people who understood absolutely nothing of astrophysics ... and yet, who believed fervently in what they considered to be their God. Studying it too closely and picking it apart just destroys it. It's a beautiful poem. It's part of the Judaeo-Christian tradition. It is a venerable (and, beautiful) thing that is truly ancient. Let it be.

Some parts of the Bible (and, other religious books) are (to me) "obviously metaphorical," and are best treated that way. It's okay. Really. Can't you hear this song being sung to yet another generation of young children around a campfire, as they stare up in wonderment at a desert's canopy of stars ...? The tale has served its purpose.

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denial and projection - rationalization and justification runs rapid in the minds of them that have no real idea on how to find the truth and accept it because they are to damn scared to let go of what they think they are really doing. which is controlling their own lives.

When in fact they are not. No one really is. they are always doing something that someone else told them they can or cannot do, therefore giving in to letting them be controlled by the others as a result of it. When man allows himself to be controlled by another man regardless if he acknowledges this control or not.

he is only following that someone else because he believes that other knows the truth. when in fact he can be just as lost as the one following him if not more.

which only is the blind leading the blind.

To say one does not seek truth so he or she can live in it so they can be right about everything they believe because that is what the truth is. it is to be us : mankind's potential is to be the truth.

that is why God created them. The way mankind is and everything he does is always leading him or her to find the truth so they can be the truth.

When he thinks he has possession of it, is when he can falter.
denial and projection - rationalization and justification
to try and hold on to what he thinks is a truth. because he cannot be denied when it has truly obtained it. Not even by himself can he deny himself. because he is the truth.

but if that truth is replaced by a lie then he falters.

this so called big boom to create some kind of unintelligible reaction to create life even mankind that craves truth. Even when an unintelligible entities cannot even by themselves know themselves because it holds no intelligences to do so. cannot create something that he cannot by any means even conceive and then give it the potential to be better than that in which it came from. Even though mankind fantasize of such abilities. He cannot even do so.

chemical reaction has no intelligence to create. it is just a reaction.

it cannot even create intelligence out of its own reaction. how can something give something to something else when it does not even have that something to give in the first place?

which is intelligence.

so there are them that keep themselves in a state of fear from accepting that their can be someone out there much greater then they are that can do more then they can even understand.

then in the same time accept others that can do something that they cannot understand. Just not the one that created them.

they deny that to the point of projecting that idea out of their minds then rationalizing in a new idea then seek anything that can justify it so they can keep themselves in a state of denial of the truth.

so much it so that is works against their inner being to where it screams out, I seek the truth in all things!

that inner self is being deprived of this truth of its origin and this need for that in which gave it life and can sustain it for all of eternity so much it screams out AGAIN I always seek the truth!

making public proclamations to everyone that can hear. Hoping that the outer self too will actually hear what it is saying and start actually doing so so that it will not die due to its starvation of that in which he seeks so that it will obtain it so that it can live.

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Do you not hear yourselves, religions* are people and their beliefs like many others, not reality or there'd be none other? Just like there's fact and opinion, you die if you don't eat and drink and you believe whatever opinions you like*! hence f-d up world...

chemical reactions are one of many ways a brain works but means nothing without knowledge. If you were born and left to die you'd die (so be a wuss and blame dead infants in dumpsters on YOUR "god's will" not your lack of support for education where religion is banned) but if your environment kept you,,, it taught you!
 
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I do not speak of religions* (plural) I speak of truth.

the mind has the ability to do what in order to find that in which it seeks providing it does not utilize the capital sins

Rather the it utilizes the virtues so that it will obtain that in which it is drawn to seek.

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The Seven Contrary Virtues which are specific 
opposites to the Seven Deadly Sins: Humility against
 pride, Kindness against envy, Abstinence against 
gluttony, Chastity against lust, Patience against 
anger, Liberality against greed, and Diligence 
against sloth.
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knowledge. If you were born and left to die you'd die (so be a wuss and blame dead infants in dumpsters on YOUR "god's will" not your lack of support for education where religion is banned) but if your environment kept you,,, it taught you!
dead babies in dumpsters is mans will - he was the one that put that baby in the Dumpster not God.

to blame someone for something that they did not do is doing what?

you blame God for humans actions that are going against Gods will on God. when in fact they are denying God like you and go off and do what they want to do and not what God wants them to do.

what you speak of is not MY God's will it is your misconception of reality that you are living on about God and not the truth about God.

lumping everything into one big pile and the truth just gets lost within it.


not your (my) lack of support for education where religion is banned)


where do you come across accusing me of something you have no idea of what I do?

lumping everything into one big pile and the truth just gets lost within it.

prejudging me like that what type of person does that?

a godless one?

lumping everything into one big pile and the truth just gets lost within it.

sloth

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Believing (and staying fooled into) any false "gods" other than the only God, life and reality,,, makes yous the creator of your devil and sin (preached) as fairy tails need babies to sacrifice.

Pascal's Wager says, *slit *the *babies *through *to *your *dark *lord *or *you'll *be *sorry!

You can't have your version of good without more opinions as they are unless the new, new, new, moo testament is out?
 
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"other than the only God, life and reality,,, makes yous the creator of your devil and sin (preached) as fairy tails need babies to sacrifice."

if the one that believe in God are then the creators of the devil and sin said as fairy tails need babies to sacrifice then this is a contradiction of believing in that very same God.

talk about ones mind caving in on itself when it uses contradictions to justify its denial of a truth.
 
  


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