The Faith & Religion mega Thread

16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

*sings*

I left alone
my mind was blank
I needed time to think
to get the memories from my mind

[/singing]

Weren't all the nutjobs saying this part was about credit cards just a few years back? And now credit cards aren't scary enough anymore?

REVELATION 13:16 "And he causeth all ... to receive a mark in their right hand or foreheads, that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name..... it is the number of a man and his number is 666."

Weird, it says nothing about chipping. Even taking into account the age of the text, surely the difference between a marking and an insertion would have been noticeable?

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Only slightly applies. Much like the rest of the Bible really.

As the great jewish philosopher once said "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."

16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

Sounds a lot like the way Goa'uld System Lords mark their Jaffa followers.

So I guess that we could make a "logical" deduction that Stargate is actually based on hard facts: the bible supports it!!!!!

Weird, it says nothing about chipping. Even taking into account the age of the text, surely the difference between a marking and an insertion would have been noticeable?

No, but if you were born in that century with no education, explaining a vision of RFIDs as a "mark" to a illiterate person wouldn't be much of a stretch. For that matter, the Jehovah's Witnesses say that the "mark" is going to church on Sunday rather than the Sabbath, which is, of course, Saturday. But I digress.

Only slightly applies. Much like the rest of the Bible really.

Well, I agree with you. But then there's 1 Co 2:14 and similar texts.

My point with John 8:7 was that if the same rules applied regarding this thread as technical threads:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

then people would read the manual and not ask questions without doing a little research first. leedude stating that

these people really don't know anything, do they?

was a good example of the pot calling the kettle black. Hence John 8:7

I see oskar, for example, at least knew that the "new world order" referred to the belief many have that the passage(13:17)in Revelation about the "mark" referred to credit card companies.

As they say, a simple search on google would have answered the question.

Just a clarification, I don't have a dog in this fight.

Originally Posted by easuter Sounds a lot like the way Goa'uld System Lords mark their Jaffa followers. So I guess that we could make a "logical" deduction that Stargate is actually based on hard facts: the bible supports it!!!!!

Or you could say the script writers from Stargate cribbed from the bible; like many greater and lesser writers before them. Didn't any of you guys pass high school English class? (that was a rhetorical question)

But I have to get back to work now, lunch is over, it's been fun.

Originally Posted by easuter Sounds a lot like the way Goa'uld System Lords mark their Jaffa followers. So I guess that we could make a "logical" deduction that Stargate is actually based on hard facts: the bible supports it!!!!!

We could say that Stargate was based on the Greek and biblical mythologies along with the Wizard of Oz and probably other published fiction. But that doesn't infer the "hard facts" title on any of it.

But that doesn't infer the "hard facts" title on any of it.

Yeah I was just joking...

Or you could say the script writers from Stargate cribbed from the bible; like many greater and lesser writers before them.

And the bible writers cribbed from other suckers who came before them...lots of paganism built into Christianity FYI.

Originally Posted by mostlyharmless No, but if you were born in that century with no education, explaining a vision of RFIDs as a "mark" to a illiterate person wouldn't be much of a stretch. For that matter, the Jehovah's Witnesses say that the "mark" is going to church on Sunday rather than the Sabbath, which is, of course, Saturday. But I digress. Well, I agree with you. But then there's 1 Co 2:14 and similar texts. My point with John 8:7 was that if the same rules applied regarding this thread as technical threads: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html then people would read the manual and not ask questions without doing a little research first. leedude stating that was a good example of the pot calling the kettle black. Hence John 8:7 I see oskar, for example, at least knew that the "new world order" referred to the belief many have that the passage(13:17)in Revelation about the "mark" referred to credit card companies. As they say, a simple search on google would have answered the question. Just a clarification, I don't have a dog in this fight.

The joy of dipping in and out of threads like this is that I tend to miss sub-threads Everything that has become ubiquitous in our lives is usually linked to the mark. As to the number, I seem to recall that 666 is the mark of Nero. Just ges to show that for a book that explains everything, it really is used to explain everything - every passage explains something that contradicts the previous thing it was used to explain.

As to the number, I seem to recall that 666 is the mark of Nero.

Yeah, but you are letting your "atheistic world view" cloud your judgment. Secular historians are poisoning your mind, dont forget that the bible is the inerrant word of god.

Regardless of how 666 became such a popular "number of the beast", its more likely to have originally been 616. So all you goths and satan worshipers have been doing it wrong!

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                      GOD
          Not Here. Not There. Not Ever.

It was a motivator, but I can't find the link.

Originally Posted by easuter Yeah, but you are letting your "atheistic world view" cloud your judgment. Secular historians are poisoning your mind, dont forget that the bible is the inerrant word of god. Regardless of how 666 became such a popular "number of the beast", its more likely to have originally been 616. So all you goths and satan worshipers have been doing it wrong!

That's the kiddie! As I was typing it I knew I was missing something.

Originally Posted by easuter And the bible writers cribbed from other suckers who came before them...lots of paganism built into Christianity FYI.

I don't know about the paganism but the sado-masochism is great fun - anyone know "The Masochism Tango" (Tom Lehrer)?

I ache for the touch of your lips dear,
But much more for the touch of your whips dear;
You can make welts like nobody else
As we dance to the masochism tango.

(skip some bits)

Bash in my brain, watch me scream in pain,
Then do it once again; I hope we never part.
You know too well, I'm underneath your spell,
So darling if you smell something burning it's my heart.

Originally Posted by easuter And the bible writers cribbed from other suckers who came before them...lots of paganism built into Christianity FYI.

One thing that puzzles me is that students of comparative theology are able to keep their religious beliefs - any beliefs. I mean, ask one, they'll tell you point blank how Christianity built on prior religions to become the success it is, today. How they can still believe? It's beyond, well, belief.

I don't have any religious standing. I believe in myself. I'm the only one who can make something happen in my life. I don't place my faith and a being that may or may not exist and HOPE that something happens. I like to keep things under my control as much as possible.

How they can still believe?

That would be thanks to faith.
And some people think faith of all things is a virtue

Anyway, I'm off to get my morning dose of laughter at FSTDT.