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Regardless that truth still remains the same in what I said about how my belief system has a higher level of morals then the average person that does not hold the same beliefs as I do or has a lower set of morals then I do due to my beliefs In The Holy Trinity. Quote:
as Far as the whole if you do not obey my laws you will be punished for not adhering to them issue you are having. For one the ending of your statement about me removing myself from the equation of "going to burn in Hell" is a misinterpretation of a truth you placed into your belief system about me, and or every person that lays calm to being a Christian. First of all that consequence is for EVERYONE that has heard of Him. Not just them that refuse to believe in God therefore does not even try to adhere to His laws. Therefore your belief here " That's why you believe that everybody here, apart of you of course, is going to burn in hell." I do not believe that whatsoever. No part of that statement of yours is a truth. That is a misconception of the truth on your part. Not only of me but of Christianity as a whole. You are in error of your beliefs about Christianity. Directly due to a non-truth being held within your belief system as a truth. Again I state for the record: that is what happens when someone places a lie into ones belief system it causes them to error in judgments and actions due to it. I find in here, people, always laying out accusations against someone without showing anything to what it is they are referring to. First one has to define the term "disturbing intentions" and look at the person that is defining it by what does this person uses for his basis of comparison to see where that is coming from. example disturbing intentions as opposed to NOT disturbing intentions. then you go on to attribute that he [Jesus] goes on to subscribed to his Fathers "even more disturbing acts and intentions" You seemed very disturbed by this. Whatever it is you are talking about there. Quote:
there is a lot to be said about someone that cannot answer a simple yes or no question, instead he that. let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one. Jesus Christ. Quote:
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as far as what someone else wears for clothing being seen as funny that is only a personal option, and bears no relevance to anything that same person might say. Quote:
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You completely side track that question and did what Instead? You took it out of context and even to the point of not even looking to what I was asking you. You instead Judged yourself by your own personal standards of how someone should be to justify your actions towards others. So your can reinforce your belief system as it stands at the time you did this. To the point of it make you feel that being an atheist is not making you a horrible person. You are using what standards of comparison to come to the conclusion of everything you believe does not make you a horrible person. First the term horrible person has to be defined, and your behavior then has to be pick apart in everything you do and do not do as well as believe in as a person. Then then compared to what your definition of a horrible person is then compare it to yourself. by that means of comparison you will never be a horrible person in your own eyes. Everyone has a set of morals and values to go by. Some are greater then others is all, and some keep changing them so they can always be in the right in everything they do in there own eyes. that is called self-justification. or the proper meaning of a self righteous person. Because he is the one making himself right by his own standards of conduct. again going back to my original question concerning your statement of disbelief - I will reword it for you. Perhaps that may help you give me an straight answer to it now. Instead of you justifying your behavior towards others using your own standards of conduct. Quote:
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can the truth be owned? seriously can the truth be own by anyone person or persons? do you not know the truth of what 2 + 2 equals? if yes then are you soul owner of same said truth? if yes then no one else will also know the truth of what 2 + 2 = they will then be in error for the rest of their lives about what 2 + 2 = now do you see the error of your belief about the Catholic Church profess to be owners of the Truth yet? They do not even belief that nor has ever stated that. You are in error of your beliefs on that, therefore it is throwing off your line of thought about the Catholic Church as well as me in what you believe I believe. Taken from what or where? I can only speculate. Errors errors errors is all that is coming out of you in your conversation with me. Quote:
If one cop is dishonest does that make the entire Police force dishonest? by your judgments shown to me about the Catholic Church. Your answer has to be a defendant YES. If it is a no then you are using partiality to judge thus making you what? A super great NON Horrible person by your own personal standards because your judgments are not equal but bias. let me see you dance around that one or completely avoid it or do what instead? Quote:
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That can be anything. Even a pamphlet on how to kill babies after the woman gets pregnant. AND I do not worship books. again you're spiting out errors. Why are you not having a segmentation fault? Because you are human. I'd not have you for my lawyer regardless if I was guilty or not of whatever I was being charged for. You are just spiting out one error after another in your defense against me and the GOD I believe in. Quote:
You are only using this Galileo incident to justify you strong diastase for God. while still throwing out errors that you use to keep your strong distaste for God and anyone that even so much as says they believe in Jesus. even that one about me worshiping books is an error you threw out at me that shows that. Quote:
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"I accept Jesus Christ as my own personal savor" and you're in and going to heaven hands down .. which is a lie. or something similar as easy which is still a lie. Quote:
I think the only real truth that comes to mind is some what little bit of truth that lays within what you said about that one dude and the earth and sun argument. Though I do wonder how many others (people) too did not believe Galileo in what the was saying the whole time of his life. all of the other people that were not accounted for and not Catholic. So here you are only picking out what was written about and not even taking that into consideration nor what motivations laid behind it perhaps. but again. to me this is a mute point. this look at what happened to Galileo thing, and it is only being used for your personal justifications to keep yourself from doing what? Quote:
First you admit your belief here about this, "I wasn't talking about Jesus, but about his father." then tell me you're an atheist. You confuse me now. You have been doing nothing but spiting out Fake Facts about me and the Catholic Church within this entire post to me that I have been pointing out to you along the way. you say a truth Galileo then toss out many errors afterwords about everything else. or some could call them Fact Facts as you call them then tell me that " there are no such things as "fake facts"" then what I am to call them? Lies, misconceptions of the truth,errors in thinking. that you use against me to lay your false clams against me. That cause you to judge me wrongly. then earlier you tell me how you judged yourself to be a not horrible person. You are being a very unpleasant person with all of your false beliefs about me. Quote:
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which I agree, only in, that at the time of that event one needs to take into consideration of what people believed then. as I stated I bet not everyone believed Galileo and that not everyone that still did not believe Galileo in that the earth is going around the SUN where catholic, let alone anyone that even believed in God for that matter. People believe that the earth was flat too for how long? and these people some of them even sailed ships over the horizon and still came back from which they went and still believed the earth was flat. Nevertheless, that still has nothing to do with how YOU are rationalizing your strong distaste for the Catholic Church and GOD and Jesus as a whole. You are Judging and condemning everyone for what you consider one mans wrong. as I have pointed out in here. If one man is in error of his ways does that make everybody guilty just because they wear the same uniform? I am not in no way saying what Galileo stated about the sun and earth is wrong and that he needed to be, what happened to him? what was his punishment for stating what he did? Did they take him out and burn him at the stake? no that was someone else. why does man insist on making others take blame for something someone else did? like you are. If your brother kills or even steal something are you to be held accountable for his actions? so why are you still holding an institution accountable for something someone else did that just happened to be part of this same institution that is not even still alive? You are blaming an entire nations of people guilty for something a few people did that you do not agree with. That is an injustice to anyone. God does not even do that. But you are. Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you Here you go again blaming an entire race of people for a few individuals actions. Ok I am going to go look at this now. "You have" you personally are now using the generic definition of the word "you" to blame me for everybody's mistakes up to the point of my birth, and afterwords. REALLY are you serious? I let me use your rationalization against you. You're mistakes over the centuries. Atheism_and_Mass_Murder Hitler and everything he did to try to eliminate a nation of Jewish people, and everyone else he put to death just because he did not like them. Every Child killed in the womb of it mother. Joseph Stalin and everyone he put to death because he didn't like them. where Stalin ordered the Red Army to blockade certain regions and take grain by force. It is estimated that the famine of 1931-33 killed 6-7 million people, while 20 million starved. and everyone else he put to death by whatever means he used to do so that was not recorded in the history books you love to use for your facts. the list goes on even until this century You are guilty of all of it. Just like you are doing with the Catholic Church and me personally. that is by your rationalization. By the way. not mine. But you do not have a God to go to. All you have is your own thoughts you put into your own head then tell yourself this is truth. Which can change at a moments notice. Quote:
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your over generalization to cause you to blame an entire race of people for something the entire race did not do is definitely an unjust act by you. Your lack of understanding of the facts too causes you to be unjust in your conclusions about God. |
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Smug as ever here; one is common sense (stabs with rules, best WE know right\wrong ie school) the other is stabs at the dark, never probabil further provable makebelieve in many directions and forms obvious... just look into your christalball! The brain uses drugs so do WE! If you don't want to evolve why you using Linux‽ |
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It's all right by me for either a religious person or an atheist to explain and even to defend their respective position, and to engage in what is known by both parties to be "a debate." "Where the line gets crossed," in my book, is when either party starts to condemn the other. When they assert that the contrary opinion – and the person holding it – is "wrong," "stupid," "<<insert_perjorative_adjective_here>>." Remember: "Heaven is presumably a climate-controlled place, and that requires a boiler room!" :D |
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I don't know if supernatural beings called Poseidon or Zeus or Dionysus do exist. I don't think they do, there's nothing that suggests to me that they do, but if you don't want to hear that, then you should not tell me about it in the first place, or post about it in a public forum. You obviously believe that they do exist, but if you insist with me that they do, then you should at least provide something convincing in support of that. Since you haven't been insisting, we didn't argue. However, if you declare publicly that Poseidon and Zeus and Dionysus make you more special than everybody else, then don't expect to receive many friendly responses from non hellenic polytheists, since you have yet to provide any shareable and convincing evidence in support of your first claims. If you go on from there, and declare that I'm going to be judged by Zeus and Poseidon and Dionysus after my death, according to your own set of beliefs, then I'm going to be even less friendly with you. Why? That's not difficult to understand. If you don't, then I will try to explain it to you. Then you will start whining and say that I don't understand anything about your faith. You might try to twist logic, turn it upside down, use fallacious arguments, dismiss science, or explode endless walls of twisted and obfuscated text in my face (see examples above). Eventually I'll be labeled as "smug", "liar", "antitheist", "dogmatic", I will be asked to provide "evidence" of your gods not existing, etc. Then will come a worshipper of the old Chinese Teapot, or any other conceivable supernatural thing, and the loop will start over again, and again, ad nauseam. Quote:
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I, too, have very little patience with the "the eternal carrot or the eternal stick" focus that some Christians seem to be very preoccupied with. If you don't believe this-or-that, you'll spend the rest of forever in the very same "lake of fire" that is "reserved for the devil and his angels" – this in return for "at most seventy-odd years of screw-ups." Or (tah dahhh...) you will instead spend the rest of forever singing the praises of what must be the universe's biggest narcissist, in a place where gold is so cheap it's used for paving stones. That is, when you're not hanging out in your mansion.
Likewise the "Rapture" business and being "left behind." It made me very uncomfortable to see people snapping Tim LaHey's books off the shelves and positively gloating at the thought of sitting in the celestial grandstands watching everyone else being tortured and brutally killed. (Once again, "for seventy-odd years of screw-ups.") I smile politely and change the subject immediately when that sort of talk crops up. Of far more interest to me is: "what are you doing for your fellow sojourner, right here, right now?" The last-judgement scene always impressed me in that regard, since the condemned people were obviously "very 'religious' folks" who had "performed miracles." The saved people, on the other hand, couldn't understand why they were picked. We really don't know what – if anything – happens after we die. But we do know that "we are not dead yet!" And we do know that there are other people around us, who are not dead yet either, who could use a helping hand, a morsel of food, a change of clothes, or what have you. This is something that you can do. Right here. Right now. With no thought of reward. I remember encountering a man who couldn't keep an air conditioner in his house: he kept pulling it out and giving it away to someone else who didn't have one. (And if you've ever lived in Tennessee in August, you know what I'm talking about.) I knew another elderly retired lady who worked in a soup kitchen every day, and yet she looked hungry. She was hungry. People had to keep telling her to get off the serving line, where she was tirelessly serving whoever came in, sit down herself, and eat. Likely as not she'd leave a half-finished bowl someplace. Working at that shelter was her life. Her concern and love for those who had nothing was palpable. Both of these people have passed on now, and, if there is anywhere beyond life to go to, as described that the religion that both of them followed, then I know where both of them went. "Religiosity" that is focused on "pie in the sky, by and by," is of no use to me. Likewise people who just sit around telling everyone else that they're wrong. If you're doing that while changing bedsheets that are crawling with lice, on the other hand, that's just conversation to pass the time. These aren't things that are done with an eye toward accumulating celestial Brownie points: they're done because someone else needs help to survive. You've never lived until you've hauled one forty-pound container of hot soup after another from a kitchen to a serving room and watched every single drop of it being hungrily eaten. Every now and then one of those people will look at you. And suddenly you just don't need heaven to be "someday." It's right here. |
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Oh how I love it when people talk about me behind my back right in front of me. what is to be said of that?
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I believe I have no faith, and I have no GOD to tell me what is right or wrong. I make up my own rule and moral standards to live by that can change at a moments notice. Just to suit me at the moment I decided to change them to suit me where the bloody atheists, as you call them, will have a place of there own to ridicule, lay down false accusations and just plain try to cause chaos and try to tear down everyone but themselves in there. but where i the fun it that for them? Always wanting to be right. It is a God trait in every man and woman. if called a lair regardless if they do it on purpose or it is them deceiving both themselves and perhaps the others he or see tells it to, it is still a lie simply because it is a non truth, that deceives them that take it as a truth they get upset and demand they are the truth and not GOD! When God is TRUTH not Man. etc ... Quote:
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just because you do not believe it does not make it not true. But to think that the earth was once flat only because a large group of people thought it was flat, does not make it so. When the "all of a sudden" someone or some others some how figured out it is round? that is like saying. Quote:
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If we categorize everyone enough we come up with: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
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...and now we are at an Ultimate Abstract Truth. Before the Earth existed and long past it's fate of being swallowed by the Sun, A = A, 1 = 1, was and will be True. More simply put in concrete terms Any One Thing is Itself, and one Thing considered with another One thing equals Two Things.
This is why so many Philosophers, Scientists, Theorists and Mathematicians state some form of "If God exists, He/She/It is a Mathematician" because the very concept that if even One Thing exists it has Identity and if another is added/created there are Two Things. QED - Therefore Mathematics exists even if no God, No Universe, No Thing exists to recognize it. |
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