The Direction the Internet is Headed...
 

Hi all,

I have been on the net now for 20 years and seen a great deal of change in that time; some of it for the better, but rather more, IMV, for the worse.

It seems more and more apparent that the net as we used to know it is being squeezed out; the early ethos behind it and its free-thinking, tech-minded proponents are being increasingly marginalized and I for one don't like this progression one bit.

This marvelous technology that promised to fully inform the world's people and give everyone, regardless of their background, a seat at the table of the greatest information resource in the known universe has been hijacked by the MEGA CORPORATIONS and is fast becoming an advertisement-infested clone of the mainstream media - and owned and controlled by exactly the same interests. And the free dissemination of uncensored information is not remotely an objective of theirs. Far from it!

A few years ago I decided I wanted a divorce from Microsoft and Linux afforded me that escape. I've no regrets. Now I want to go further and get rid of Google, Yahoo, Youtube (all the same thing now) Apple and all the rest of the malodorous big money interests. I'm all through with being a pawn of theirs and yielding up ever more personal information about myself to do stuff that 20 years ago came without strings. And now they want us to store all our stuff in their "cloud" - very convenient I'm sure. I'd prefer to keep my valuables where no one can prevent me from accessing them and thereby hold me to ransom!

If anyone knows of an on-line community anywhere on the net where I might meet like-minded individuals who are implacably opposed to the increasingly restrictive forces that are constantly undermining our on-line freedoms in the craven pursuit of MASSIVE PROFITS and infinitely detailed user profiles, then can they please post the relevant links here, not only for my benefit but for untold numbers of others who I suspect, feel the same way I do. Or WILL do pretty soon.

Many thanks indeed.

I'm very sure you are not alone in this sight that you have about what is going on about the freedom of speech on internet, there is a war going on to regulate the internet, and people like you that are seeing what is going on is fighting for this freedom.
There are even more dark forces behind the mega corps, governments, and such that want to reduce the internet to an empty show to the unaware people.
Here some links about what is going on in the world, put the pieces together and you'll see the big picture:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBr...ith_Rothschild
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...hild_bloodline
If you have read the 2 links above when you look at this link http://www.rothschild.com/ you'll understand.
Now note that all the regulations been imposed over the internet of course doesn't say it is to stop the free speech but lots of other excuses(lies).
Here more links with a lot more info:
http://www.anonnews.org/press/item/2097/
http://world-awakening.blogspot.com.br/search/label/NWO
http://www.zengardner.com/
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
Sites like this is what the same forces trying to regulate the internet, don't want people to see.
To fight for the internet here: http://www.fightforthefuture.org/
I also recommend the following:
http://www.securitytube.net/video/6686
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3dj8b8aoCY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljzj_3riQv4
http://www.freedominfonetwork.org/profiles/blog/list
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFdf0...ature=youtu.be
Also look the links in my signature.

Regards

Yes, I know where the internet is headed, as well as where the world is headed. To hell in a hand basket.

I would be aware that they have created a false opposition network that is just as expansive as the mainstream. ukiuki has posted links to it. It is the prisonplanet/infowars network. It is run by the secret services, and its purpose it to gather together such like minded people, feed them lies with a sprinkle of truth, and eventually lead them to their own destruction.

I recommend staying away from these places, or at least do your own thinking.

They monitor everything and they control everything, there is no way to stop them, they will succeed. You may be able to delay them a bit, but not by getting together with like-minded people, but by taking some action now and then. I'm not talking about protests. They pay off some punks or maybe they just send some secret agents in to throw some molotovs at your protest and then they disappear and the riot police get the go ahead to beat your ass as much as they please. No, instead, try to remain anonymous (not the Anonymous that is led by the secret services), not trust Tor (which is run on gubmint servers), not join Facebook/Twitter or other social spying projects, and not say things that would greatly upset Big Brother/Sauron. You can sign some petitions, distribute Linux in your community, raise awareness of real dangers online and otherwise, etc. These are safer and more effective things to do.

Cave Belua!
 

People with an interest in hacking reality (as in objective analysis using for example Occam's Razor as tool rather than relying on lore, magick, any talk of "them" or any texts proclaiming a Truth) may consider conspiracy theories as mildly entertaining. And sure they can be enjoyed in the same fleeting and thoughtless way one would enjoy any stimulant. However carelessness or overuse, as would apply to excessive use of any stimulants, is not harmless and may lead to severe and sometimes irreversible problems. Accepting conspiracy theories as Truth, basing ones world view on them, may lead to a distorted view of the reality we share. Clear signs of tears in that fabric are the (in)ability to recognize the power of rhetorics and the (in)ability to recognize the agenda and disingenuousness behind any text proclaiming all problems are caused by and blamed on any single group of people. If you don't understand the harm it causes then you probably don't understand either when I say that LQ can do without anyone entertaining such conspiracy theories.

I really don't think I need to say more than that.

What about the FSF and EFF, those are good communities to join if you care about your freedoms.

Yeah, like everyone else I've seen all the conspiracy stuff, but that's straying off the point somewhat. My beef is simply that the net is becoming just another orifice for the mainstream media to spray its sewage. It's becoming trashy and worthless as a result. I'm sick of seeing all this junk about that wretched Kardashian woman and her obnoxious family and all the other 'celebrity' orientated garbage that wasters who read the National Enquirer and such like enjoy. Don't want any of that every time I want to check for e-mail. Don't want any adverts. Don't want any movies. Don't want any pictures at all, actually. Just tech info on any subject and informed discussion like it used to be back in the day. Oh - and don't mind paying for it. If the price of having a 'free internet' involves plastering it with mind-rotting trash about the NFL, Justin Bieber and Hollywood gossip then I want out of it. I want my monthly sub to go to a small, independent community of tech people providing a valuable, worthwhile and crap-free service. If, on the other hand, I really want to destroy my mind with 'junk food for the soul' I can simply turn on my TV or read any newspaper. What's happening to the concept of choice??

Generally agree except for the following two points, TM:
Can't imagine Julian Assange being couped up in that tiny 'embassy' in London for over a year IF Anonymous IS actually run by the SS. Doesn't make sense.
Also Tor, as I understand it uses a chain of nodes which by virtue of the concept of onion routing make it impossible for any compromised node in that chain, even though passing the packets, to know the ultimate source and/or destination of them. I have no need of such methods myself; never used the network, but the tech concept intrigued me enough to look into how it works and I thought I had it right, but from what you say perhaps I don't. Care to clarify? Has a vulnerability been discovered?

Explain this for one:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/03...akes-statement
Also note that Tor does NOT provide end-to-end encryption, and is also vulnerable to end-to-end timing attacks. Also note the case of Anonymous rigging Torbutton with Mozilla's permission to log all IPs of visitors to certain wiki on Tor. I believe it is all set up. Look up articles about how many of the nodes are run by the govn't. Many are because they say they use it for some of their own communications. Assange is quite safe, as he is with them. The entire wikileaks system appeared quickly and mysteriously, by one man. No real precautions were taken to safeguard the anonymity of the whistleblowers. No really useful information was leaked. And the most important part, it was on TV. If it's on TV and they even make a documentary on it, it is very suspicious. These are just things you have to pick up on and research yourself. I'm not here to convince anyone of any conspiracy theory, I would never do that. I'm here to lift the cover a little bit, so that those that are interested will dig for themselves. Just know that once you start digging, you can't stop, and you don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

So, what exactly are you looking for ? I don't think you'll find many free-thinking people out there, and if you do find them, they will likely NOT be in a group. I'm free-thinking and I don't like to aggregate.

If you find a good place tell me too, because I don't know of one. I recommend searching the net for something specific, something that you know and most others don't.

This has nothing to do with choice.


While some seem to think our IntarWEBS are elevated to some sort of "unalienable right" we all have our IntarWEBS only by the grace of those that either make money off of it like data carriers and the money of companies and advertising agencies who will not ever understand that brick-and-mortar advertising does not work.


As in Gopher and FidoNet? No, Gopher ain't dead yet. Probably only makes sense to those who actually remember that back in the day the Internet wasn't synonymous with "WWW".

Just like things being shown on television doesn't make them true automagically any article saying TOR nodes are run by whatever government doesn't doesn't make it true automagically. And even if any government would run TOR nodes they would have to run a lot of entry and exit nodes to be useful.

This is a very thin line to walk over I know, the only one here that I can't agree as much is myself because I know, just because someone said something that doesn't make it the truth(must be investigated). Yet if you find something to be the truth, "Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth." Mahatma Gandhi

That is why TV is been turned off for over 10 years, usually what people see there can't be trusted, specially the main stream ones.

The websites posted may not be the best place to start but it is something, without discard the possibility of what been said:
Some may be, some may not, but keep that in mind to look at any of them with an open mind.

If you really think like this then you already lost.
"You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." - Mahatma Gandhi
"Remember ladies(gentleman), if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything." - The General - Sucker Punch

Probably the best advise in this thread so far, still there are those who think different.
"It takes nothing to join the the crowd. It takes everything to stand alone." - Hans F. Hansen

Ill quote myself on this one: "This is a very thin line to walk over", and we must remember to have in mind the question, what is real?
"What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain." - Morpheus
What kind of reality is the palestinian people living in the last 50 years, what about the reality people in Burma lives today, and Egypt, etc? What about the realities of people that live in somewhat confortable life, and of course the internet as stated by Completely Clueless. I'm sure there are plenty of realities being hacked around the world, in one way or another, yes you are right unSpawn, there is people with interest in hacking reality. I just hope there is enough people working to unhack the unreal realities that is being pushed over peoples mind.
"A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes." - Mahatma Gandhi
Don't let your mind be hacked.

Regards

Completely Clueless,

H_TeXMeX_H,

the others,

Twenty years ago Internet was used by a handful of the people. Now it’s used by the billions. Do you see the difference?

That handful of the people published good content and wasn’t the target for the advertising company etc. Billions of the people are the target and read/watch/listen and publish a lot of shit.

It seems to me that you guys (and gals) visit the wrong websites. Don’t do that. Don’t read/watch/listen the shit. If you can’t find the right content at all start your own website or blog. It’s simple.

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It seems to me also that some of you are obsessed by different conspiracy theories and horrified by the vision of the omnipotent secret services. Let me tell you something...

I was born in the communist country long after Joseph Stalin and stalinism died. Before I grew up communism in my country lost most of his teeth (though our gap-toothed government managed to introduce a Martial Law for a few years). I was arrested and interrogated by the communist secret services for a few times. According to our law I was kept in the arrest up to 48 hours but I never was imprisoned or interned. My outlook was “anarchist” though I never was a member of any anarchist organization. (The term “anarchist organization” amuses me – it’s oxymoron.) I never was a member of any organization. I had my own outlook different than the outlook subscribed by the most of the people in my country. I didn’t hide it from the other people including my interrogators. They disregarded me because my outlook was so marginal. So they nor imprisoned me, nor proposed me the collaboration (using a blackmail or offering a charge).

Since 1990 I live in the democratic country. In the meantime my outlook evolved towards more and more marginal one. I’m pretty sure that I’m the only one in my country presenting such an outlook. Maybe I’m the only on the Earth. One way or the other I’m not the target nor for the secret services, nor for the advertisement companies, nor for anyone else. I have a good laugh when some pollers ask me the question. For two reasons: 1) I can only spoil their statistics with my answers; 2) they very often ask the question that means something else than that what they think it means but I reply to such a question according to the logic rather than according to their intentions.

A week ago I read about some poll. The biggest Polish Centre for Public Opinion Research asked the wrong question (the only valid answer to it was “yes” because it wasn’t the question about the facts but about the logic though it resembled the question about the facts). The respondents replied to it “yes” or “no”. The interesting thing is that educated people replied “no” (despite the only valid answer to it was “yes”). On the other hand the uneducated people answered “yes” – not because they’re so smart but because they share some idiotic conspiracy theory. The journalist of the most influential Polish newspaper reported the results of that poll seriously instead of criticize the question and the answers. To recapitulate: the Centre for Public Opinion Research can’t ask the questions, the educated people can’t reply the questions, and the notable journal disregards that absurd.

As you see I’m very lonely with my thinking in my country.

So my advice to you is: try to find the facts instead of the interpretations. Interpret the facts yourself. Develop your thinking. Build your outlook. The more unique became your outlook the less you’ll be the target for the secret services and the advertising companies. Unless you live in China, North Korea, Iran, etc. don’t be afraid to propagate your outlook to the other people (including possible secret services and advertising companies). They do nothing to you. They simply start to ignore you.

And throw away all conspiracy theories. I can’t resemble any reasonable conspiracy theory though I listened and read about many of them.

Ill keep that in mind, thank you.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi
Yes there is many conspiracy theories but only very few true conspiracies, which are very hard to see and may take several years until people start realize what happened. The theory ones are made to distract people from the real ones.
When the real ones come to light, yes they will ignore you, because nobody will believe you, the stage is already set(propaganda),
Then you get ridiculed, they laugh at you... well it isn't hard to figure out the rest.

Regards

The fact that someone or all the people laugh at you not necessary means that you’re right.

You ask where the internet is headed? Firstly,consider that we are connected by and intricately linked to the Internet. It is a very popular method of communication and expression. Whatever occurs in the realm of the Internet shall, therefore affect us. These large companies, they steal our personal information, while we mindlessly enjoy the pretty pictures that the Internet offers us. We are being used.

Welcome to The Matrix.

You can't do much about the content available on the Internet, but you can use a few workarounds to get a more convenient Internet experience:
- Don't want to bombarded with ads? Use an Adblocker for your browser or run a Privoxy server.
- Think about using a mail-client instead of the web-interface.
- If you don't want pictures rendered by default just disable them in your browser's settings.
- Don't want movies (usually Flash), install a Flashblock plugin for your browser.

Possibly more, but this way you should at least get a little bit what you want.

First:

1. NoScript (disable JavaScripts)

then:

2. Flashblock (disable Flash (including some ads))

and:

3. Adblock Plus (disable some ads)

as TobiSGD said.

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And don’t feed Google and Bing.

And there is exactly where all the problems merge together today, because:
“Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom.” ― Michael Ellner
Everything is so wrong so it looks like right, everything that is right looks wrong.

For a search engine duckduckgo is a good alternative, there are others too, the only thing I have been using google for is to find images. There is still useful stuff on youtube not all is lost. Take this as example, some classes about IP Addresses and Subnetting.

Regards

That finds the images or the videos and isn’t Google at the same time:

https://startpage.com

I agree, I use all those and duckduckgo. Ghostery may also be useful.

I would never be able to browse the internet without some form of ad blocking. I don't think many people realize what the internet has become until they stop using these. I won't even mention all the plans for targeted ads in your car in your home using cameras and mics in you "smart" TV ... just read slashdot. The advertising companies are aggressive and malevolent and they try to make it seem like it's something necessary, a necessary method of funding, and that you should accept the ads shoved down your throat, all those flashing obnoxious pop-ups. To do otherwise is not democratic they claim. They wrinkle their noses at do not track flags and tell you that they do so. Well, if only I could send a message back to them, it would be a flashing hand with the middle finger extended on flashing background with appropriate wording.

The quote is mostly accurate, but too absolute. There are those who break from this mold, especially for people they know and trust. Do you really think that anything other than this is possible within the system ? Do you think they would let people do otherwise. You would lose your job or worse.

Same here, but not Poland. My great grandparents lost all of their wealth, which was very substantial, they were tortured and never seen again (probably dead). My grandparents were tortured but let off. I remember all too well the feeling of oppression, the meaning of censorship and self-censorship that was needed. There were many close calls, but eventually we managed to escape. You know what scares me ... that I hear the same words they used then, the same policies, the same tactics, the same feeling I had then today in the most "democratic" of countries. If you don't know this or realize it, then I guess what they say is true, those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

As for conspiracy theories and theorists, I know they are hated everywhere. They are just paranoid fools, right ? You might be right, but what do you risk if you are wrong ? I think you risk so much that you dare not even think about it. You disregard conspiracy theories because you are so integrated and dependent on the system that you cannot accept the world if they were true. I'm not saying that conspiracy theories are true, nor that I believe in them. I believe what makes sense to me, and no conspiracy theory proposed by others has ever been 100% correct. Why ? Because you can't prove conspiracy theories. If you can, your days would be numbered. I know you don't believe it, but if you care and you look carefully you will see it.

I see it in all people around me, they are afraid to think. They can never even consider any theories that are not mainstream, the fear wouldn't let them, they would go mad.

Apologies to the OP for this OT post (I'm contemplating moving it to a new thread).

No, actually it isn't. This one's particularly black and white. I'll make it clear for you. The first two links you posted play "pin the tail" and attribute about all that's bad in the authors eyes to one particular family name and one particular organization, and when you get to the bottom of it, one particular race. This means in essence this is about racial bias. Since you have posted them I assert you agree with what's written in the first two links you posted. It however leaves me wondering if you 0) were aware of the racial bias aspect and 1) if you agree with how it's used.

This is it, in a nutshell. I don't use Facebook, I don't use any Google services, I don't look at mainstream media websites, etc. Just like I don't watch TV. I hang out in Linux forums, and seek out the info that I want to know, not that which is spoon-fed to me.

When I began using the internet in 1990, I was a member of WELL (Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link). It was a great community. This, of course, was prior to the WWW, so everything was text-based. Good times, great discussions back then.

Then along came Compuserve, Prodigy, AOL, etc. The gradual dumbing-down of the 'net began. But still, the good stuff is out there, you just gotta find it and participate. Like right here in this forum. :D

The author doesn't go against any race or group(me neither), there is nothing about racism on it but about inform and understand who is responsible for the problems humanity suffers today.

Think about this: if you take the enemy's uniform to disguise yourself the ones supposed to be friends will see you as enemy but the enemy will see you as friend. That is what is going on. It is all disguised, it is hard to see because it is right in front of our eyes. How about infiltration and deception.

Entire nations been used and manipulated, by this criminal network, through many things not just the media, it is all right in front of our eyes, people just can't see it because everyone born looking at it, "looks normal". But people is starting to realize there is something so wrong going on.
How many people in the internet have you seen talking about something related to it, directly or indirectly lately? lots of people, and more and more are showing up, because no one like the way things are going.
Me neither.

The enemy knows the internet has became a tool for us to teach each other to talk and share information and they don't like it, they don't want it to keep going. And the internet isn't the only thing been squeezed out, education, health, you named it.

Regards

I only got as far as the first sentence of the second paragraph in your first link... which is not at all based on fact.

//edit: I also notice that you link to David Icke in your signature... enough said...

//edit2: @Completely Clueless - I have to agree with your original post. I'm afraid it's the way of the world in that everything good which has the potential to benefit the many, has been corrupted and exploited for the profits and gain of a select few.

The Internet is constantly re-inventing itself, and that process is happening all over again right now. "The web site," as we know it today, is dying. People want information and they want entertainment, and they don't want to have to "go to 'a place'" to get these things. They don't want advertising on that place. It's becoming quite clear to many people that advertising on the Internet really doesn't work. Things like "SEO," which briefly tried to present itself as a profession, certainly don't work.

People will always be people. Give some of them a "bully pulpit" and sure enough, they turn out to be bigots or worse. But you know, the world's a big place and we're all big boys and girls (well, most of us are ...) and therefore it's quite easy to avoid ... ;) them. ;)

Saying something is true doesn't make it true ;-p As far as I'm concerned you don't have to openly declare your allegiances anyway since it is already clear you support those texts. I'll leave you with your own words of judgment of others:

Indeed.

@unspawn I ain't judging nobody, don't twist what I'm trying to share with people, I mean no harm to nobody.
That is what I'm talking about.
"There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed." - Mahatma Gandhi

Most people doesn't see what is going on, the reality people live today is just a painting in from of their eyes.
Ask yourself(I been asking myself) while you are comfortably sitting in your chair watching TV or in front of your computer there are several wars going on in the world, Syria, Lybia, Egipt, Iraq, Afeghanistan, Malaysia, N-Korea testing Nuclear Bombs, etc etc, and the majority dieing are civilians.
Who really want wars? I for sure don't. Do you?
“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” Hermann Goering
Tibet Monks suffering oppression, Amazon Rain Forest being cutting down to ground, it is not alright, why is this happening, why don't we do something about it? Because the of painting in front of our eyes we can't really see what is going on.
Take the matrix as example if you like:
"The matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth." - Morpheus

"Unfortunately no one can be told what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself." - Morpheus
Honestly I don't know why i keep doing this, then I remember:
"Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' Vanity asks the question, 'Is it popular?' But, conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one's conscience tells one that it is right." - Martin Luther King Jr.

"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Mahatma Gandhi
Multiplied propagation is what the main stream media does, bombing peoples minds over and over with misinformation, there is nothing wrong about entertainment but they do use it excessively, repeating, repeating, keeping people distracted, taking attention away from what really matters. It doesn't show what people must see.
See for yourself, Amber Lyon talking out the true about what the main stream media does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFDC7zmJgQg

You don't have to take my word just because Im saying all this, go and do your own research, find out for yourself.
"Unfortunately no one can be told what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself." - Morpheus

Regards

I remember the old days of the internet. You get a shell account and you telnet to other systems to use their services such as www, gopher and etc. it was cool...

As for today, there's not much you can do. The internet is ever changing. We just got to go with the flow.

No you don't have. You are a free person not a slave of the flow(matrix or system).

"You have to let it all go, Neo. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. Free your mind." Morpheus
"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds." Bob Marley

Regards

Watch the ads!
 

And what’s wrong with the ads apart of that that they’re usually obtrusive?

The ads are a form of the propaganda. The same with the most of TV programs, radio broadcasts, and press articles. The same with the politicians talk. The same with the priests talk. The same with your friends and family members talk. The same with your talk.

So I’m asking you once again but more generally: what’s wrong with the propaganda apart of that that it’s most of the time boring?

In my opinion propaganda is good. It’s everywhere so you have to learn to live with it. Use it to develop your critical thinking. Use it to build your unique mind.

Let me tell you something...

Last week a cashier in a store where I do shopping everyday said to me: “I have ask you some day which beers are the good ones because you buy always some strange beer”. I replied: “It’s simple. Buy those beers which aren’t advertised. Watch the ads!”.

Let me explain you something...

Company A advertises its beer and competes with the companies B and C which advertise their beers as well. So A, B, and C beers are cheap (because these companies compete on the market) and all these beers are advertised (because of that competition).

Here’s the price of a bottle of A, B, and C beers:

The other companies – X, Y, and Z – don’t advertise their beers. Moreover their beers are more expensive than the beers made by A, B, and C.

Here’s the price of a bottle of X, Y, and Z beers:

Now try to guess which “beer” has more beer inside and which “beer” is better beer?

And now decide what would you like to buy in a bottle of a beer: 80% of the ads (i.e. amusing conception, nice music, famous people, etc.) or just 100% of a beer?

My advices to you:

1. Watch the ads.

2. Think.

3. Think more.

It’s very funny. Very very.

Either you parodied Pascal’s Wager knowingly or you repeated it in the other words unknowingly.

My answer to Pascal:

There’s no God and there’s no afterlife. I don’t intend to waste my life – the only life I have – on the considerations about God and afterlife (as well as about Pegasus, gnomes, Santa Claus, etc.).

My indirect answer to you:

I don’t intend to waste my life on the studies and the discussions about the conspiracy theories.

My direct answer to you:

I’m not wrong. Reading, thinking, and talking about the conspiracy theories is a huge waste of the time and the energy.

My request to you:

If you’d like to convince me a bit to the conspiracy theories select just one conspiracy theory – the one which is the best proven or at least the best justified – and show it here. (A humble link to “the best conspiracy theory website in the world” which discusses “the best proven or justified conspiracy theory” will be enough.)

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(To read more about the beliefs and the gods see my post #46 on the fifth page of the Atheists thread in the Atheists social group.)


eyeofliberty,

Thanks.

Don’t live in a ghetto. Don’t escape from the whole world. There’s a lot of good content in Internet. Just try to find it. (Or maybe you do that instead of “hanging out in Linux forums” all the time?)


ukiuki,

Your head is full of the quotations (from Hermann Göring to Mahatma Gandhi). Try some day to think yourself. It’s a wonderful feeling.


to someone who thanked me,

Thanks for your thanks.

I can’t change the world – I can merely comment it. My goal is opposite to the Marxist-Leninist one because they had the ambition to change the world instead of merely comment it. (And they succeeded.) Their outlook was populist – my outlook is elitist. That causes all the difference.

The sad part of the above is that I can’t change the attitude of even a single person discussing here (with the possible exception of myself).

And your ass will follow. George Clinton. Parliment/Funkedelic


You are a free person not a slave of the flow :Pengy:

I do think by myself otherwise I wouldn't be here talking about something important to people, there is absolutely nothing wrong about quotes, and we do learn a lot from those, specially when it come from wise people like Ghandi and if we don't listen or learn from who know a lot more than ourselves from who will we learn? If you don't want to listen the words of a just a guy like me because I'm just another guy, then listen to the wise ones like Ghandi(the quotes).

And by the way a lot of the adds and comercials in the media do contain subliminal messages, but it is up to you what you want to allow your mind to be fed of, and that is how the few dictate to the many, how to think, what to drink, what to eat, how to dress, etc etc.

Regards

Haha, no, I don't live in a ghetto, or escape from the whole world. And Linux is just one of many hobbies for me, including archery, backpacking, herbalism, primitive skills, homebrewing, alternative energy, bicycling, and kayaking. I just don't have much tolerance for what most people consider entertainment, the mainstream media, consumerism, and such.

And that was a great analogy with the beer and advertising, btw. :hattip:

A subliminal message (beware – you’re warned!)
 

ukiuki,

When I read this forum I prefer rather to read the words written by the guy like you. When I’ll decide to read the words written or spoken by Hermann Göring or Mahatma Gandhi I’ll start to read the Göring’s or Gandhi’s works or the works about Göring or Gandhi – which didn’t happen to me so far and I doubt it’ll happen to me whenever.

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It’s very dangerous thing those subliminal messages! A horrifying, terrifying, frightening, scaring, dreadful, terrible thing. The biggest and the wealthiest beer companies in my country using the subliminal messages managed to discourage me to drink their beers at all. The producers of the food and the drinks managed to discourage me to eat and drink their products. The producers of the clothes and the shoes managed to discourage me to wear their products. The producers of books, movies, and music managed to discourage me to read, watch, and listen their products. The same with the producers of the software and possibly some other manufacturers.

On the other hand I buy advertised laptops, cameras, hi-fi devices, mobile phones, and the other stuff. But I buy all of that not because the subliminal messages that come from their producers convinced me to buy that but because after my extensive investigations I decided that the best gears for me and now are: ThinkPad laptops, Fujifilm cameras, Marantz hi-fi devices, Nokia mobile phones, etc.

So I’m not a robot. I’m a human being. Ads don’t tell me what I have to do – they don’t tell me either what I have not to do. I’m not controlled by ads. I’m not controlled by any form of the propaganda. I’m controlled by my own mind.

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Are you a robot, ukiuki?

(Assuming that you aren’t a robot: why you work as a robot and why you’re afraid of someone who allegedly controls you?)

((Assuming that someone actually controls you: why you allow him or her, or them to do that?))


to all the moderators and the other staff,

Why the forum engine changed the uppercase letters in the title of the present post to lowercase ones?

Do you think that the users of that forum are so dumb that they don’t know when they should use the uppercase letters?

(Well. Maybe some of them are dumb indeed.)

Me neither.

Thanks once again.


A remark about smileys (emoticons)

A few years ago I started to exchange the e-mail correspondence with some new co-worker.

After a few e-mail messages I wrote to him:

“You use a lot of smileys.”

He replied:

“And you’re very abstemious in that.”

I concluded:

“colon dash parenthesis”

As a result he stopped to use all these fancy smileys or emoticons. (Thanks to God which doesn’t exist.)

If you can restrain yourself from using smileys in your replies to me – do that. I’m intelligent enough to understand all the evident and the hidden context of someone’s statements.

Fair enough. Sounds like a good policy, really. Thanks for your honesty, I appreciate your intelligence.

Thanks for not smiling to me.

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All those smileys (emoticons) look to me exactly the same as all those laugh tracks in the sitcoms sound to me. Piteously.

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Are you from Cascadia, Oregon or Cascadia, Washington, or some other Cascadia?

@w1k0

Who is really afraid here? You do believe in whatever you want to believe, that is up to you.

Regards

to someone else who thanked me as well,

It isn’t a battle so I couldn’t beat you.

My main opponents in that thread are H_TeXMeX_H and ukiuki. I wonder whether H_TeXMeX_H will present here some intelligible, reasonable, and coherent “conspiracy theory”:

Personally I doubt that any “conspiracy theory” is intelligible, reasonable, or coherent.

I’m sad now because I like H_TeXMeX_H very much.

I asked him about some intelligible, reasonable, and coherent “conspiracy theory”. Just one. In my opinion such a theory doesn’t exist. I’m pretty sure that there’s no such a thing as a “conspiracy theory”. There are some collections of the ideas concerning conspiracy (so called “conspiracy bullshit”) but none of them is a “theory”. The theory is something more than the collection of the statements freely put together.

I think it’s impossible to find some “conspiracy theory” because all those “theories” aren’t theories at all. So I suppose that H_TeXMeX_H waits now in a hideout until we’ll forgot the “conspiracy theories” thing.

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Dear H_TeXMeX_H,

Don’t hide yourself from the other people. Come back to us! It’s only a free flow of the ideas. It’s just some minor thread in some insignificant forum dedicated to some marginal operating system. Think about the whole Universe that exists about 13.7 billion years. What means that thread in the face of the Universe?

Some of the ideas presented here are shitty but the other ones are great.

There’s a lot of shit out there (in the world):

– religions,
– astrology,
– homeopathy,
– fortune-telling,
– superstitions.

(I forgot to mention above the conspiracy theories. My apologies.)

That’s not the end of the world when someone believes in the mentioned shitty ideas. Some of my friends believe in such a shit as astrology. I tried to convert them in the past. Some of them were offended by my arguments and they stopped to contact with me for a while. After a few months they restored the contacts again.

Time heals all wounds.

The Universe exists 13.7 billion years.

Yours faithfully,

w1k0

You’re frightened at least by the conspiracy theories and by the subliminal messages. Just read your own posts from the present thread. I’m astonished that you have such a weak memory. How old are you? More than 100? My best wishes!

Yes. I believe whatever I want to believe. The same with you. That doesn’t change the fact that some beliefs are worthless while some other ones are valuable. Just compare two ideas: “God” and “science”. To believe in God is worthless. To believe in the science is valuable.

Are you trying to argue with me? Yes? Indeed? Best wishes once again! Thanks to your collaboration with me it can be the funniest thread in the entire LinuxQuestions.org ever.

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It’s not enough to repeat once again the “wisdom” that you learned before in a dispute with me to win the contest. If you’d like to win it you should invent some new arguments.

Some of you linked your statements with some particular group of the people – the Jews (unSpawn noticed that pretty soon). Well, the orthodox Jews are very funny people. Some of them wear strange hats and clothes (shtreimels and caftans), have strange whiskers (payos), and read strange books (Torah).

In my opinion the two stupidest nations in the world are: Jews (mostly from Israel) and Poles (mostly from Poland). The first invented the stupid idea of the “chosen people” and the latter invented the stupid idea of Poland as a “Christ of Europe”. Both think that there’s something special in their nations. I’m sorry. It isn’t. Both Jews and Poles are roughly the same as any other nation.

I’d like to apologize you if your nation is more stupid than Jews and Poles. I simply don’t know all the nations and I rely on my limited knowledge. If your nation is stupidest even than the Jews and the Poles feel free to inform us about that here.

Dear w1k0, I'm not your opponent, neither I think you are mine.
I'm not afraid of any of that you have mentioned, I'm just saying: "those things may contain bad things that do harm peoples minds, like the propaganda or comercials or adds if you like." If you want to believe that, good for you, if you don't it is totally up to you. Anyway do your own research about any of this things if you want, find out for yourself, you don't have to take anyone word as last resort.

Best wishes and kind regards

I use Cascadia to refer to a bioregion or independence movement, rather than a particular town or city within that region:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascad...dence_movement)

No, in fact you linked to a good old fashioned anti-semitic rant and then started quoting the matrix.

As for "conspiracy theories" and "conspiracy theorists", it's a label, I dislike labels. It's all to easy to point the finger and say "conspiracy theorist!" and just dismiss someone who may actually have something relevant to say. You however do not seem to have anything at all relevant to say.

I like this conspiracy theory myself.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035688_Mo..._collapse.html

http://www.noagendareport.com/tag/monsanto/

There are lots and lots to pick from. Battle on Bros.

Latest front line bull pucky

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1285605

Probably footing for a new law since famous people are invovled.

It sounds to me that you need a text mode browser such as elinks....that way you don't see any music, any videos etc.

elinks is not an OS, it's a web browser.

Sorry, typo, I was multi-tasking at the time so that is probably why I put that there.....I know, I know, multi-tasking always leads to this kind of thing, but, I'm incorrigible!

I use NoScript and Adblock Plus. This removes a LOT of the "commercials" from the browsing experience.