The cloud: pros and cons.

stf92 · 03-15-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk

The only justification for storing stuff in the 'cloud' is if it NEEDS to be shared. If you store data there for security/backup, it is no longer private or secure and definitely not a reliable backup.

Another justification is lack of space, which is my case.

dugan · 03-15-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jefro

Plenty of choices. I use google and onedrive.

Which Linux clients do you recommend for these two?

dave@burn-it.co.uk · 03-16-2018, 06:42 AM

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Another justification is lack of space, which is my case.

Storage media is dirt cheap nowadays especially compared with the cost of recreating your data because your chosen cloud storage company collapsed.

cynwulf · 03-16-2018, 08:14 AM

As with "shared hosting", it's all about the cost. It's about offering cheap services and marketing and selling those services. Part of the marketing is convincing you that "your way", the "old way", is now obsolete and "you need this product".

Nothing new.

dugan · 03-16-2018, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by frankbell

I certainly would not use simply as a spare hard drive for backup storage. If I need a spare hard drive, I'll buy one--they are cheap these days. I'm I'm concerned about fire or other disaster, I'll buy two and keep one in my safety deposit (lock) box at the bank and update it periodically.

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Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk

Storage media is dirt cheap nowadays especially compared with the cost of recreating your data because your chosen cloud storage company collapsed.

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Originally Posted by cynwulf

As with "shared hosting", it's all about the cost. It's about offering cheap services and marketing and selling those services. Part of the marketing is convincing you that "your way", the "old way", is now obsolete and "you need this product".

Nothing new.

Just want to point out that if you want to maintain yourself what a cloud storage provider is offering, you'd need at least at least two hard drives with good data redundancy.

If you're only storing your stuff on one hard drive, then you should be weighing the (high) risk of your own equipment failing against than the risk of being betrayed by someone in the data center. Or the company folding. Or whatever. (Or your cloud account getting hacked, which I'm surprised hasn't been brought up yet).

cynwulf · 03-16-2018, 09:39 AM

I for one was referring to cloud/shared hosting vs old style (expensive) dedicated hosting, not DIY RAID or backup solutions.

Hence "it's all about cost".

DavidMcCann · 03-16-2018, 11:45 AM

It occurs to me that there's another side to the "what if disaster strikes the cloud company" argument. What if you keep all your data at home and disaster strikes you? I trust you all have fire-proof boxes for your backups!

dave@burn-it.co.uk · 03-16-2018, 11:47 AM

I use 4 levels of back up.
I have a second hard drive in the CD bay of my laptop for daily copies, three cycling on there.
Once a week I copy one up to a USB drive that lives in a drawer in another room.
Once a month I copy the weekly to another drive, restore from it to the second hard drive and test it. The backup then goes back into my fire safe, that is closed, but without the combination set as I suspect that bit would NOT survive a fire.

jsbjsb001 · 03-16-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMcCann

It occurs to me that there's another side to the "what if disaster strikes the cloud company" argument. What if you keep all your data at home and disaster strikes you? I trust you all have fire-proof boxes for your backups!

What if disaster strikes both you and the "cloud company" ?

Answer: Off site Safety Deposit Box.

You'd think they would have fire protection systems right? And a strongroom.

dave@burn-it.co.uk · 03-16-2018, 02:36 PM

In the case of Atomic War, I don't think I'll be worrying about recovering my PC.

jsbjsb001 · 03-16-2018, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk

In the case of Atomic War, I don't think I'll be worrying about recovering my PC.

Have you taken your med's ??

dave@burn-it.co.uk · 03-16-2018, 02:51 PM

I was only following on from your comment and in the same vein!!

jsbjsb001 · 03-16-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk

I was only following on from your comment and in the same vein!!

Yeah, I figured you were "following on" from my comment, but it was a serious comment, there are such things that do exist called "Safety Deposit Boxes". Didn't you know that ?

So, what "same vein" ??

dugan · 03-16-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jsbjsb001

Have you taken your med's ??

Eh?

He posted a perfectly good answer of the "what if disaster strikes both you and the cloud company" question.

I myself am struggling to think of a more plausible way that could happen.

jsbjsb001 · 03-16-2018, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dugan

Eh?

He posted a perfectly good answer of the "what if disaster strikes both you and the cloud company" question.

I myself am struggling to think of a more plausible way that could happen.

While maybe unlikely, but a fire at your place and hardware failure at the cloud company. Perhaps. There's any number of things that could happen, that don't involve "Atomic bombs" dropping. Hackers breaking into the cloud perhaps? etc...