God coming from nowhere is just as tricky as the entire physical world coming out from nowhere.

Biology has explained the plausibility of life on our planet coming from a primordial soup. To me, there can't be anything more sacred. Astronomy has explained how our universe began after the big bang. Science hasn't explained so far what happened before or what happens to us when we die. Religions have filled these holes, (though religions are older, and I'd say that science reclaimed that which can be explained / reached in a rational way).

I call "God" or "Creator" the base from which things originate (and possibly end). The word itself should not matter. In an universe as huge as ours and possibly a God as old as the entire Creation, worship and religion should be optional, and at the best case spontaneus. I reject religions based on the good-vs-evil scheme, which is just a very relative thing that we humans invented and still don't agree on. There can't be a place like hell and there's no heaven. A god with eternal life shouldn't be narrow-minded like this to create these many stars and wait this enormous time to punish a creature in a 2000 years range. God may be bigger than we think and all universes may hold infinite projections of infinite possibilities ruled by physical laws with variations in their constants. Our paths may vary but they all lead to a center that is everywhere. The mayas (and I believe that both hindus and buddhists too) believe that we are really the same person. They say "In lakech" which means "I'm another yourself". Walt Whitman may have believed this same thing. This entire big little thing called God may be One, Multiple and Infinite. Everything.

of maya ,aztec and incas
of atomic physics and jung
of nietzsche's super ego and todays nihilism

the climax of humanity ??
definately not leibniz's "sipritual" floating monads
better to mount meru and the sun
towards the seventh world ...


QUOTE ::
"A new element that enters Waters's Emergence concept in Masked Gods is the warning that humanity cannot go back in its spiritual and evolutionary development. To return to a preindustrial culture, to turn away from our outward spiral life path, will lead only to chaos and self-destruction, but to remain in our present extreme materialism will result in psychic and ecological death ..."


source ::
FRANK WATERS: Prophet of the Sixth World Consciousness
by John Nizalowski
(from Reading Under the Sign of Nature: New Essays in Ecocriticism)
note :: its at the bottom


.

last post.... (I promise)
 

Man has never witnessed a gaining of genetic info. In other words, like in the breeding of dogs: all the genetic code was in the DNA of the first dog. A dog or animal can lose a trait, making it specialized. humans then breed them to make what they want, until, the run of of characteristics to eliminate. never has there been a new species, or a gaining of information, only loss. The world is decieved into thinking things like evolution and the "primordial soup" are facts. Have you ever examined these things for yourself? Or just assumed, well the science book says so. :)

once again, www.answersingenesis.org

thanks, and that's all.

bye ;)

slackwarebilly

QUOTE ::
" last post.... (I promise)"

why last post ??!! feel free to post , you are not bad at what you want to say actually ...



:)

Re: last post.... (I promise)
 

Huh?

Man, let me tell you that genes are like letters. They together may have either meaning, be destructive or have no meaning at all, because they have an effect in a combinatory way. The molecules that form genes were possible because of this primordial soup. It's not true that there's loss of information as there can't be loss if you have a book created in this age with the alphabet you know and compare it with an ancient book written with the same letters: The letters are the same, the combination is new. Genesis is wishful thinking. It's not truth.

QUOTE :: "... Demographically and economically, our era is unique in human history. Depending on how we manage the next few decades ..."


1. An Appeal from American Jews to the Green Party of Germany to Stop the Bombing of Yugoslavia

2. RE: 7/3/04, “Greens Propose ‘right of return,’ ‘one-state solution’”

3. U.S. Greens Support Peacemakers in Israel and Occupied Palestine.

4. What Indians And Palestinians Share


NOTE :: i dont really "like" those greens(i'm rather old-fashion kind of guy) but seems that its all greens , i cant "easily" find others which are non-greens ...

and ... what i still need to say is no matter whats the heck , israel (a nation) , israelis (her people) and israeli flag (is their flag) ...



.

Man, what do you mean?

Your posts are the most surreal. In no time of day I can't seem to understand and I try. There's one post of yours when we discussed Katrina that really comprised comprised the whole thing. I tried with all possible meanings with a few of yours and maybe because english it's not my mother language.

QUOTE :: "... Demographically and economically, our era is unique in human history. Depending on how we manage the next few decades ..."

here are some people doing some serious works ::

to visualise or actualise the super-human , the super-intelligence or super-mindset ... a climax species ...

1. The Odyssey

2. Seed dropped by a bird , THE BRADLEY METHOD

3. The Matrix of Delusion , a Saga


important note :: some snacks ...



.

I beleive the original post was correct -

"No man is an island- Much as we may feel and act as individuals , our race is a single organism, always growing and branching - which must be pruned regularly in order to stay healthy. This necessity need not be argued; anyone with eyes can see that any organism that grows without limit always dies in its own poisons. The only rational question is weather this pruning is best done before or after birth.

Being an incurable sentimentalist I favour the former of these methods - killing makes me queasy even if its a case of "he's dead and I'm alive and thats the way I wanted it to be."

But this may be a matter of taste. Some shamans think it is better to be killed in a war, or to die in childbirth, or to starve in misery, than never to have lived at all.

They may be right, but I don't have to like it - and I don't."

-- Robert A Heinlein

Couldn't have said it better myself. The opposition, by most religions but particularly the Catholic nutters, to birth control and abortion is what will ultimately doom the human race to drowning in our own effluent, unless we of the western world manage to produce a technological solution.

This is a more adequate forum for the kind of topics you're talking about. This other is good too but still young. I'm Chakra in both forums :)