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Old 02-20-2018, 11:24 AM   #1
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The Case Against Google


The Case Against Google
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/m...st-google.html
 
Old 02-20-2018, 02:29 PM   #2
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very good article, thanks for sharing.
it's very long, but i managed to read more than half of it...

i suggest to at least get to where they circle back in on foundem.com.

“That’s not really a choice, because if you aren’t on Google, you basically don’t exist.”
 
Old 02-20-2018, 03:12 PM   #3
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I'm surprised I read that whole thing.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 09:34 PM   #4
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I just read it and was going to post it myself, but you beat me. Worth reading the whole thing, though a summary could have made the point as effectively.
 
Old 02-21-2018, 04:58 AM   #5
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Very definitely read it all. If you've part read it go back and finish it. Informative, but sadly not surprising.

Thank you for posting, teckk.
 
Old 02-21-2018, 06:50 AM   #6
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Dunno – the "anti-trust" case against Microsoft ultimately came to nothing because, as we all saw, Microsoft really didn't have a monopoly after all. (There was this pesky thing called "Linux," among other things.)

People try to rely on phantom things like "SEO = Search Engine Optimization," conveniently forgetting that with literally millions of web-sites on the Internet by now, nearly all of them cannot be "firsties" no matter what you do. Even adding still-more data ("schemas" and so-forth) will only make someone else's database bigger – it won't make you more likely to be selected among millions. The numbers are against you.

The Internet doesn't have a taxonomy – it never has. Very noble projects such as the Open Directory Project (dmoz.org), so far as i am aware, eventually gave up. Keyword-based search engines are a very poor substitute.

Of far more importance to me are definite laws concerning privacy and the sharing of personal information ... including a definition of what such data is. Apple recently sold "millions of dollars' worth of it" to China and the news articles only quibbled about the price. "What fools these Mortals be!"
 
Old 02-21-2018, 12:18 PM   #7
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A good article. I suspect that the taming of such companies will be done in Europe where politicians are less easy to buy.
https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-...as-trial-ploy/
 
Old 02-22-2018, 07:09 AM   #8
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A good article. I suspect that the taming of such companies will be done in Europe where politicians are less easy to buy.
https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-...as-trial-ploy/
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Microsoft gave $900,000 in software and $100,000 in cash
"$900,000 in software"? Does that actually count as a donation? Makes me wonder why software corporations don't just donate $this_years_profit in software every year, and then pay no taxes?
 
Old 02-22-2018, 10:40 AM   #9
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Microsoft gave $900,000 in software
Probably calculated from retail prices, without any discount.
and now they're calling it a 1 million $ donation.
10$ out of every dollar!
 
Old 02-22-2018, 12:30 PM   #10
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Microsoft gave $900,000 in software and $100,000 in cash
Given the annual income of microsoft and comparing that to the annual income of the average American family, that would be comparable to a contribution of less than $1.00USD. BFD.
 
Old 02-22-2018, 06:34 PM   #11
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Given the annual income of microsoft and comparing that to the annual income of the average American family, that would be comparable to a contribution of less than $1.00USD. BFD.
Obviously it's not a huge expense for Microsoft, but to see the (political) significance you should compare it to total political donations (in 2002).
 
Old 02-23-2018, 07:15 AM   #12
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Political donation. Bribe.
 
Old 02-23-2018, 07:50 AM   #13
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Political donation. Bribe.
There's a difference though, donations are tax-free!
Ah, my joke was ruined by facts, see below

Last edited by ntubski; 02-27-2018 at 06:28 PM. Reason: facts
 
Old 02-27-2018, 02:40 PM   #14
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Just a small quibble: In the U. S., charitable donations can be deducted from taxes. That can reduce tax liability by reducing the amount of income subject to taxation, but it's not the same as "tax-free." If I give $100 dollars to a legit charity, my adjusted income for tax purposes is reduced, but my taxes don't go down by $100.

Political donations, though, cannot be used as tax deductions or business expenses for personal or business taxes.

That, of course, doesn't mean that persons and businesses have always comported themselves in accordance with tax law . . .

https://www.hrblock.com/tax-center/f...ax-deductible/

Last edited by frankbell; 02-27-2018 at 02:48 PM. Reason: Accuracy
 
Old 02-27-2018, 06:26 PM   #15
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Political donations, though, cannot be used as tax deductions or business expenses for personal or business taxes.
Oops, thanks for the correction. Seems that Canadian law allows tax deductions against personal taxes for political donations (up to a modest limit). Apparently I over-generalized from vague memory much too far...
 
  


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