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Old 11-12-2015, 09:37 AM   #16
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I thought liberals wanted their personal guards to have guns only.
that means you thought wrong.
 
Old 11-13-2015, 03:55 PM   #17
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I thought liberals wanted their personal guards to have guns only.
Despite how those in power would like you to think, people are not that simple. In another thread I outlined how heavily involved I was for nearly a decade in thee Ultra Right
a la Ayn Rand Objectivism and Old School Libertarianism. To this day I am basically truly Conservative with regards to government size and reach and would very much like to see if real Laissez Faire can work (it has never actually existed) but at the same time I am powerfully aware of The Social Contract in that if we are to be just, fair, and promote the good Social Injustice must cease altogether as it is counter-productive, which is a Liberal concept.

I not only have no problems with private gun ownership, I own guns, compound bows and crossbows which are useful tools in rural life. However during times I lived in cities they were utterly useless beyond shooting range hobby fun. It has not escaped me that individuals being allowed to own assault rifles has resulted in heavily militarized police forces and with that have followed numerous fiascos showing how such power corrupts law enforcement like at Ruby Ridge and Waco. OTOH the 2 infamous bank robbers in LA portray an occurrence that should never even have an opportunity to occur. The idea that having assault weapons is a deterrence to oppressive government I find laughable in the extreme. A violent revolution in the US, excepting a military coup, is all but impossible anymore. Money is far more powerful than any gun.

So how can such complexity fit under one label? Guns and Control is even more complex.

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