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Old 03-01-2018, 05:13 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by fatmac View Post
Fails at the first 'required' question! :lol:
Is it a bug, or is there something I may change in the survey to make it better?

Originally Posted by BW-userx View Post
I did a lot of others...
Yeah, that's why I put them there
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Not to be a pill, and of course here I go anyways. I looked at the survey perhaps soon after your first post. I'm not what you'd call an IT person, I'm a developer.

The assumptions and limitations of many of these struck me as typical. Meanwhile it was rather brief, as well as limited and so I thought, "This is part of someone's thesis?!?" And also thought, "What could the result of what text editor some group of people use, be ever considered relevant to anything?!?"

And from what I can tell, you are now revising this survey many times over.

Well what happened to any original results? How are they treated in respect to how the survey is now?

[finally taking a current look at it] OK so you didn't change much but you allow people to opt out of questions.

Tell you what, here's my "I object to your method, but will tell you what I think" answer and you can use it to answer the survey on my behalf, or not:

You see what I do for a living above, I have a BSEE and have been working for over 30 years, I work with Linux, Windows, iOS, and Android. I use WHATEVER EDITOR IS AVAILABLE ON THE SYSTEM I'M WORKING ON. I don't sit at someone else's computer, or a shared resource computer, optionally get mad, and install something I prefer. I don't kill myself to give myself a comfort editor on a system that typically doesn't support that editor. Yes I like emacs on Linux; however I've found that gedit works more rapidly in a GUI environment for quick looks, and meanwhile if the system only supports VI, then I use VI. Being a developer, many of my target systems are limited and only do have VI. I also consider emacs both a graphical and non-graphical editor. Why? Because you can run it when you have no GUI installed on a system, however meanwhile if you are running it from a GUI you have a mouse pointer and can use the mouse for select/cut/copy/paste.

Very early in my career, there were two engineers who argued every day about the editor we had, you could use it with keyboard macros, or there were the same mouse accelerators and everyone had a cheat sheet provided by the guy who long ago set that up.

It was emacs and both of the macros and mouse shortcuts were non-standard, while the standard ones were always there.

It was all in fun, however these two guys worked together a lot and invariably when one was doing the editing and the other was kiboshing, they'd get into a fight, "No, NO, NO! CTRL-ALT-F1-Left-arrow-LEFT-ARROW!!!", "NO! You just need to hold D, then F, and double right mouse click, then hit ESCAPE!!!!" They'd get out of hand and very disrupting in the lab. It's called work with a bunch of engineers.

Most of us just learned the standard emacs key strokes. Couple of years later we had a massive layoff (Oh, excuse me, they call those Reductions In Force!), and a few weeks later, one of those guys called pestering people to send him the profile file because he wanted to use it at his new job! I don't think anybody bit.

For what it's finally worth. You seem to be targeting IT persons. Thus technical support people. Therein my earlier comment about sitting at a computer and using whatever editor is available highly applies. I can't tell you how much I HATED (add lots of venom) having some IT person come to help me, and then proceed to reconfigure my whole computer! "Leave it alone! Fix what's wrong! Don't tell me I have to use cruise-edit because YOU love it! Get out of my chair!!" That person is there to facilitate a safe infrastructure. They set up the systems initially. If the company allows individuals to customize, then the IT person should find way to support their client base, without bias.
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I remember using emacs on a text-only computer. I can't remember any of the keystrokes, but I remember that there was a macro facility and you could write little programs in something like Lisp (maybe it was Lisp?). I really liked it. But now I mostly use vim and gvim.

OP, have you read this year's LQ poll on editor use?

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Old 03-04-2018, 04:42 PM   #19
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Doing your survey, I was very surprised that you took the time to include Solaris and the other Unix variants that are out there. Any way good luck with your survey dude.
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Originally Posted by rtmistler View Post
For IT professionals, that's probably the only answer you need. If you're a professional and you work with POSIX systems, then you expect to use vi a lot poor thing! Of course, ot could be worse: I'm old enough to have used the original MS-DOS with a line editor.
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Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
I'm old enough to have used the original MS-DOS with a line editor.
edlin, right? I'm old enough to have forgotten about that until you reminded me. I'm also old enough that I used to keypunch cards! Finding a typo in a card deck was a real drag.


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