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Old 11-09-2010, 10:19 PM   #1
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...Hi. Many of you are aware of the fact I have made too many political posts lately, and if you good people appease me once more, I promise this will be the last. The reason relates to my own ethics and views and the vibe that seems to come from linux, which I find somewhat disturbing. I am looking for anything helpful and insightful, but I feel I must first outline the problem, e.g. what is disturbing me. Also, I do know this is probably not a great place to put something like this, but I'm at a loss, and the stress and disturbing thoughts and worries in the back of my head are making me insane, in a literal and true sense of the word.

What I believe:

I love Linux for the technology and power it gives me, and also I do believe Open source is the best way to develop code, though I feel there is room for both proprietary and free software. Here comes the shocker. I also believe that some of the more intense Liberals are misguided. I believe that America today does not embody what capitalism usually is, and that companies like Microsoft who make a half-assed product and try and force it on everyone are giving capitalism a bad name. I believe in mild market regulation as needed for controlling monopolies, with full ownership to the owners, and other equally irritating penalties besides dissolving the party in question for disobedience. I believe in gun rights, no abortion (unless it still is the size of an M&M, thus a bug), etc.

What I do not believe:

I do NOT believe in socialism/communism. Government has a function, and socialism oversteps this. I do NOT support anarchy. I do NOT support piracy. I do NOT support copyright reform (though software patents and SOFTWARE patents only should go), I do NOT support BitTorrent's continuity on the excuse that 0.0001% of users don't use it for piracy, and I do NOT support humanity's enslavement by zombie gerbils from Mars.

I can and have found that most of you are liberal in nature, and I can live with that just fine. It doesn't make you bad people. What I don't know if I can take is socialists and proud pirates and anarchists filling 60%+ of the community. I have gotten this estimate from googling things like "linux users support piracy" and "foss socialist" and found an alarming number of people supporting these things. Perhaps it's because I have googled for these things specifically. I certainly hope so.

I can't do this anymore, and I will NOT go back to windows, I will NOT buy a mac, and I will NOT install Haiku or FreeBSD as my OS, because they both lack adequate software selections. Any help or advice is appreciated. I generally am against whining about my problems to the public, but this is getting scary and sad.
 
Old 11-09-2010, 10:34 PM   #2
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You will have all types of users on all types of operating systems. There is nothing what you can do. Just live with it.
 
Old 11-09-2010, 11:10 PM   #3
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TBH I like Linux for about the same reasons (i.e. it fits the techie in me ), but my political views are unclear, to say the least...I don't usually like to talk about politics anyway, LOL.

EDIT: Then again, I'm 18 and dealing with other "problems" of my own, so that might be part of it...

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Old 11-10-2010, 01:00 AM   #4
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You will have all types of users on all types of operating systems. There is nothing what you can do. Just live with it.
I know this. I am not having an issue with having a few, but they seem to be the largest minority, or maybe even the majority.
 
Old 11-10-2010, 01:12 AM   #5
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A lot of people will not like MS for its products and the policies. And EULA it makes that makes them the super humans. But the truth is that they are doing nothing illegal. They are into their business and anyone who wants is free to start their own and make money. They are not satans of death. You like Linux and you use it. Some like windows and they use. Other like Macs and they use it. It all about choices and freedom to use what you want. It is nothing political as far as my views are. I do not either like to talk politics and most of the time I do not even understand it. In most part I am not too concerned. I too think you should leave what others want to them. And live with what the truth is. Microsoft is as true as sun and earth. And so is Macs and Apple. I do not like to pull someone down rather rise above them to be above them.
 
Old 11-10-2010, 01:53 AM   #6
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Never let the "politics" of someone else effect yourself!

Things are as they are and the mere nature of how people think/react is not to the liking of many in some way.

When I joined this site I hated MS and everything they stood for. As time went on I learned that life was not an OS battle but a what works.... well works!

I will not sit here and say I am against piracy and or will I say I support it. I do however see how some may be into such things. I will use the example of Vista, does anyone feel shafted and like 7 should of been a free upgrade? I do and would not disapprove of anyone getting what they deserve.

Society owes me nothing! In this way I would not fit into the whole socialism type of thinking. I do feel some people NEED help and helping these people is my pleasure, even if my tax dollars go to do so.

Really though, it is what it is and there is nothing any one person can do to change much. Sure there is that rare case when one person takes a stand and gets a result but in general driving ones self nuts over people is just..... crazy? (lol)
 
Old 11-10-2010, 04:29 AM   #7
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Ok, and guess what:

I do NOT believe in socialism/communism. I do NOT believe in democracy/republicanism. Government has no function, other than to rob people of their power and money. I do support anarchy. I do NOT support piracy (except pr0n). I do support copyright reform , I do not care about BitTorrent's continuity because there are never any seeders, and I do NOT support humanity's enslavement by zombie gerbils from Mars.

So you're going to stop using Linux because of my beliefs ? I don't believe in God either. How does this affect Linux and your usage of it ? That doesn't make sense. Let me guess, you're probably also wouldn't go on a field trip on a bus full of people of another religion or political party ... that would be outrageous.
 
Old 11-10-2010, 06:53 AM   #8
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You do realize that this title got ( great move if this was the intent... ) the attention of some guys operating the Echelon http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm mainframes don't you...?

the words Nuclear and Implosion combined together convey some meanings to some knowlegeable people out there...

Without getting into much detail, I'd say that some of the meanings pertain to highly classified topics of research... but once again, kudos, if this was an eye-catcher...
 
Old 11-10-2010, 07:17 AM   #9
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Government has a function, and socialism oversteps this.
In a democracy, the function of the government is to do what the people want. If the people want socialism, it is the government's job to provide that.

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You do realize that this title got ( great move if this was the intent... ) the attention of some guys operating the Echelon http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm mainframes don't you...?

the words Nuclear and Implosion combined together convey some meanings to some knowlegeable people out there...
They'll take all of 5 seconds to establish that we're not actually talking about nuclear physics.

Nobody would even care if we were. The principles of operation of nuclear weapons are in the public domain. The devil is in the details; if someone were to post a specific circuit intended to ensure the correct timing of the charge detonations in an implosion-type weapon, then the authorities might get worried, especially if that same person has taken delivery of gas centrifuges and booked flights to Kazakhstan.
 
Old 11-10-2010, 07:32 AM   #10
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The principles of operation of nuclear weapons are in the public domain. The devil is in the details; if someone were to post a specific circuit intended to ensure the correct timing of the charge detonations in an implosion-type weapon, then the authorities might get worried, especially if that same person has taken delivery of gas centrifuges and booked flights to Kazakhstan.
Correct if one wants to build/design a multipoint two point safe device, BUT, AFAIR, one can create a spherical converging shock wave using a unifocal setup ( single point ignition ) using properly designed inert/energetic wave shapers ... no simultaneous timing required...

kewl, isn't it...?

Althogh this would require high precision milling machines to create the parts... and milling Composition B, or RDX, or CL-20, is not a, call it "current" operation... and one does not find this sort of milling machines "everywhere"...
 
Old 11-10-2010, 09:18 AM   #11
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So you're going to stop using Linux because of my beliefs ?.
Oh of course not. It's just scary for me. Anarchists are generally OK, but my point is there seem to be lots of strong leftists out there in the community, many more so than there is in other OSes. This is unsettling for me. There is no way in hell I could quit using linux, even if it was my intention.

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Old 11-10-2010, 09:25 AM   #12
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In a democracy, the function of the government is to do what the people want. If the people want socialism, it is the government's job to provide that.
Yes, and here in America, most people REALLY don't want that.
 
Old 11-10-2010, 09:32 AM   #13
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I can't do this anymore
Well, are you going to turn off your lights because the juice is produced by a government sanctioned monopoly? You going off the grid? You going to get out of your car because some tyrant, somewhere, was involved in producing the fuel; or get off your bicycle because aluminum is produced exclusively by giant, faceless corporations?

You going to stop eating because giant agribusiness produced most of the food, or grow your own, or only eat stuff you saw grow?

How do you know what the political bent of even a minor fraction of Linux users is?

The world ain't perfect and it it ain't fixing to be.
 
Old 11-10-2010, 11:50 AM   #14
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Oh of course not. It's just scary for me. Anarchists are generally OK, but my point is there seem to be lots of strong leftists out there in the community, many more so than there is in other OSes. This is unsettling for me. There is no way in hell I could quit using linux, even if it was my intention.
Why is this a problem? There are also a lot of right-wingers in the Linux community. So what? It's an OS, not a political movement.
 
Old 11-10-2010, 12:11 PM   #15
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Oh of course not. It's just scary for me. Anarchists are generally OK, but my point is there seem to be lots of strong leftists out there in the community, many more so than there is in other OSes. This is unsettling for me. There is no way in hell I could quit using linux, even if it was my intention.
Well, to be honest, GNU/Linux does change you, it did me for sure

It certainly takes you towards the left ... you know. But, if you really have firm, unchanging beliefs, this should not affect you. Are you afraid of being influenced by it ?

Or maybe it opens your eyes to all the BS you had to put up with in the past, just because of the way the system is. Why did I have to use Window$ only for everything, in fact I thought Window$ was the only option for quite some time (where's the democracy and capitalism and competition here ?). It makes you think, that's all. Nothing to be afraid of. I fear nothing, and really nothing should be feared. Really, understanding is the opposite of fear. When you understand everything, you fear nothing.

P.S. I don't take anarchy that seriously, mostly because it'll never happen, not here, not with these people. And, a part of me says that it's far too late for that. The point of no return was passed long ago with the nuclear age ... now that one man can kill all others ... who can stand against such power ? There are only two options now: enslavement and annihilation ... and even if you don't chose, they chose for you.

P.P.S

I only say that I am anarchist and atheist, because I have the right to believe whatever I want, and I choose to believe in things that make sense to me. I also want to test the waters, when I can no longer proclaim my beliefs, I will know that the system has become too oppressive and I must leave. That's what I had to do with Communism ... I was born in a Communist country and I couldn't say anything of what I really thought. They would take you away and you would never be seen again (as happened to my great grand parents before I was born, they also had all their possessions taken). I almost suffered this fate, because kids tend to say what their parents say at home ... I kept my mouth shut from then on ... even until today. I suppose this has greatly influenced me, but I say that I really wanted Democracy and Capitalism to be different and good ... and to my great disappointment and horror ... it is not. What would you do in my place ? I vote anarchy.

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