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Old 03-18-2005, 08:26 AM   #106
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thanks , Harishankar

i should have view the dilemma of national development for the developing and the under-developed countries in a more progressive perspective.Development needs to be run in parallel,on one side without losing the main objectives of national building while on the other side,there is an equally urgent needs to start implements and works with cleaner, cheaper, renewable and environment friendly options of energy production wherever possible.It also helps to educates people about the inevitable faith this earth might faced in national development,whether nationally or diplomatically.
 
Old 03-18-2005, 08:28 AM   #107
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From wikipedia:
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(Note: the words "liberal" or "liberalism" can have different meanings in different countries and may also vary with the political background of the user. Therefore, the terms have various meanings throughout Wikipedia
 
Old 03-18-2005, 09:24 AM   #108
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Let me put this a bit differently.

I would say that politicians all over the world have particular agendas to suit their own tastes and they give them universally acceptable labels like "liberalism", "socialism" or "conservative".

Hitler invented "National Socialism". Can anybody say that Hilter was a 'Socialist' or even a 'Nationalist' by any stretch of the imagination?

For the common man, it is important not to get caught up in the terminology of politicians, but actually assess each individual issue on its merits. Unfortunately that's the problem today. Even members participating in this board are caught up by "words" and "phrases" rather than the merit carried by the issues under question.

If you are a "liberal" you cannot take a stand on an issue which you believe to be right, just because that stand might not be "liberalist".

If you are "conservative" then you cannot make statements that are seen as "liberal".

And so on.
 
Old 03-18-2005, 06:23 PM   #109
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The only good thing about oil is that I'm sure it can be used to produce cheap drugs and alcohol somehow. I guess you could also use it for setting fire to stuff you don't like.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
 
Old 03-18-2005, 10:01 PM   #110
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Originally posted by Harishankar
Let me put this a bit differently.

I would say that politicians all over the world have particular agendas to suit their own tastes and they give them universally acceptable labels like "liberalism", "socialism" or "conservative".

Hitler invented "National Socialism". Can anybody say that Hilter was a 'Socialist' or even a 'Nationalist' by any stretch of the imagination?

For the common man, it is important not to get caught up in the terminology of politicians, but actually assess each individual issue on its merits. Unfortunately that's the problem today. Even members participating in this board are caught up by "words" and "phrases" rather than the merit carried by the issues under question.

If you are a "liberal" you cannot take a stand on an issue which you believe to be right, just because that stand might not be "liberalist".

If you are "conservative" then you cannot make statements that are seen as "liberal".

And so on.
Absolutely He was a socialist and a nationalist. He united the people towards a common goal, created a great war machine, and the german scientists of that era put forth many technelogical advances.
 
Old 03-19-2005, 08:26 PM   #111
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The ironic thing about this debate is that I am going to be a candidate at the UK general elections for a party that people call extreme right wing and compared to you I look left wing !
Actually I'm not, but I will take that as a compliment. Thanks!
 
Old 03-19-2005, 08:48 PM   #112
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I accept that short term goals are important. But why not take an opportunity like this to address the long-term concerns of energy as well as the environment? Why shouldn't people start demanding that alternative energy sources start being used more and moer in a big way? Whether you drill for more oil in Alaska or not, the long-term issues I have mentioned have to be addressed at some point or the other. All I'm saying is that the sooner the better.
I don't think anyone except for oil company executives and major shareholders (oh, and self-proclaimed-environmentalist-who-really-isn't Senator Kennedy) is against development of clean renewable power. Unfortunately every technology has its drawbacks - with solar being maybe 30% efficient, with GOOD photovoltaics, pure electric cars resulting in GREATER emissions due to transmission losses not to mention 15% to 20% efficiency in the electrochemical battery charging process, hydroelectric being limited in availability (you either need to use a waterfall, of which there are only so many suitable, or you need to dam a river and flood land and drastically change the climate up to hundreds of miles downwind with lake effect weather, etc. - not to mention inconvenience (e.g., ROB) many landowners who want to KEEP their land) and nuclear power creating waste which while can be managed safely, attracts scumbag terrorists and sabateurs.

Alternative power sources have been under development from the very beginning - heck, there are still water-powered factory machines in use in some places where solutions are purely mechanical, and ditto for wind power. That's 16th or 17th century at the latest - technology harnessing renewable resources still in use today.

Even my personal favorite, windfarms, are limited in where they can be used (some regions are just not windy enough) and the effect of large windfarms on the local and global climate has yet to be determined.

I'm considering a hybrid car for business use, but unfortunately part of my business calls for either a very large car (e.g., station wagon) or an SUV - which requires a lot of power for decent payload capacity and acceptable performance. Hybrid technology just isn't quite there yet - at least in the products which are mass-marketed.
 
Old 03-20-2005, 09:47 PM   #113
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  1. Environmental concerns are very real and have not been addressed satisfactory by the pro-group. Burning more and more fossil fuels will release more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and increase global warming which is already at a dangerously high level. Sadly nobody seems to care about the growing size of the ozone hole over the Antartic region. I guess that most people prefer watching re-runs of trashy sitcoms to the educational programmes of Discovery or National Geographic channel.
  2. The replacement technology you so desire to replenish current energy demand is not going to drop down magically from the sky one fine day. The push to drop fossil fuel dependency is hard work and has to start today for you to attain freedom from an energy crisis in the next several decades.
  3. The political will to deal with this problem in the long term is missing and quite understandably so. There is simply no political gain out of promoting something that will benefit your country 50 years from now.
#1 Is it really global warming... or is it global cooling?? I think the great minds that predict this stuff dont have a clue

http://www.google.com/search?q=globa...en-US:official
http://www.google.com/search?q=globa...en-US:official

#2 Then why do people have to complain about oil consumption?? there does not seem to be an alternative, therefore there is no alternative option.

Where is the hard prrof that fossil fuels are going to run out soon?? if ever? I recall in the early 80's it was said that by 2000 there would be no gas at all :confused: Its 2005 and I still fill up my truck with gas once a week :confused:

#3 Im sure it will become very politically motivated if it ever becomes a proven fact that there will be no gas. I still have not seen hard facts that the earth is running out of crude oil or any other fossil fuel for that matter.

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Old 04-01-2005, 10:26 AM   #114
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You're all just pawns

The solution is being kept from us. The answer lies in alternative energy sources (meaning other than fossil fuel). Oil and car companies have ACTIVELY PREVENTED progress in this area for obvious reasons. They want to pump the well dry and hence pump up their bank accounts before having to start researching alternate methods. So, people, start protesting the big corps, they are the enemy here, not the SUV drivers or the environmentalists.
 
Old 04-01-2005, 02:58 PM   #115
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Re: You're all just pawns

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The solution is being kept from us. The answer lies in alternative energy sources (meaning other than fossil fuel). Oil and car companies have ACTIVELY PREVENTED progress in this area for obvious reasons. They want to pump the well dry and hence pump up their bank accounts before having to start researching alternate methods. So, people, start protesting the big corps, they are the enemy here, not the SUV drivers or the environmentalists.
It's not the Oil and auto companies keeping it from you... I am... <evil laugh> Mu-ha-ha-ha </evil laugh>

Protest all you want they are powerless to help you. I have them trained so that they think they are supposed to use what is available on the market. The minions actually believe they cannot sell a car that no one can purchase fuel for and the fuel companies are tricked into believing they can't sell fuel that no one will buy. <evil laugh> Mu-ha-ha-ha </evil laugh>
 
Old 04-01-2005, 06:12 PM   #116
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I think we need to change your medication

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Old 08-01-2006, 01:02 PM   #117
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Being an alaskan and living and working in Alaska for 30 years , All i can say is most of you folks that are against drilling are not well informed on the issue. Have never been to Alaska, You belive all the crap the wackos feed you to milk your wallet because it makes you feel good on some level , you think your saving us from ourselves .

Hey I go along with the old Alaskan saying , "Let them Freeze in the dark". We got plenty of oil and gas for us Alaskans , the hell with you ! Remember that when you'r parked in that gas line for 8 hrs to get your allotted 5 gals for the week at 6 bucks a galloon .

you people never learn


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Old 08-23-2016, 12:39 PM   #118
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Old 08-23-2016, 04:52 PM   #119
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The solution is being kept from us. The answer lies in alternative energy sources (meaning other than fossil fuel). Oil and car companies have ACTIVELY PREVENTED progress in this area for obvious reasons. They want to pump the well dry and hence pump up their bank accounts before having to start researching alternate methods. So, people, start protesting the big corps, they are the enemy here, not the SUV drivers or the environmentalists.
Well, as usual, it's really not that simple. Lots of "alternative" energy sources are known and have to some extent been developed, but none of them yet match fossil fuels. Solar generation only works when the sun is shining, but the greatest energy consumption occurs at night when everyone has their lights turned on. "Clean, electric" cars are basically being run by coal, which is the fuel that is mostly burned (in the US) to generate that electricity.

Those "big corps" have fundamental requirements: a reliable, stable, source of electricity, and a gas-pump that has gas in it anywhere you decide to stop to buy some. This is much harder than it looks, and yet they do it with aplomb.
 
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