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trickykid 03-14-2005 01:11 PM

Stop the Oil Drilling Proposal in Alaska
 
Who needs to destroy the land for only 6 months worth of oil? It's not worth it so if you propose such actions, call the number in my signature, its quick and easy. You don't even have to speak to any person but leave your name and address, which they'll send off a fax on your behalf to your local representatives.

And don't let your representative make you think this oiling will help the United States National Security like mine tried to tell me, which is a load of crock.. sorry.. just how I feel. :p

The deadline to call is March 16th before this goes to the Senate and Congress.. etc, etc.

You can read more here: http://takeaction.worldwildlife.org/...p=2&item=24456

Blinker_Fluid 03-14-2005 01:48 PM

For some reason I doubt that the land is going to be destroyed...

A couple caribou inconvienced, some jobs created, and some oil provided is more likely to occur.

trickykid 03-14-2005 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Blinker_Fluid
For some reason I doubt that the land is going to be destroyed...

A couple caribou inconvienced, some jobs created, and some oil provided is more likely to occur.

Building a road destroys the land from its natural self. Building homes for workers to live in destroys the land from its natural self. Building and drilling oil wells and it only taking one human to make one stupid mistake, can and will ruin the land.

Is it worth 6 months of oil to ruin land in its natural state that is pretty much untouched or ruined from humans so far? I believe not and it should stay that way. And I doubt its a couple of caribou that would be inconvenienced.. more like a whole habitat.

And jobs created? I doubt that. More like existing workers for the oil companies moving up there only to abandon the land when they are done.

Am I crazy, I don't think so. I just believe that we should vote to protect the environment on something that would have such a small impact on our economy and so-called oil supply than ruin land in a long lasting effect that should be protected in its original condition.

al_periodical 03-14-2005 02:24 PM

I wonder where the hell did you guys get those energy just to protect forest,animals,plants,insects,worms,fungus,bacteria and their habitat.

Donboy 03-14-2005 02:28 PM

Damn tree huggers. LOL!

Dude, we need all the oil we can get. Have you seen the price of gas lately? Holy crap.

I wuv the whittle animals too, but hey, screw em. They can go live in Canada. It's just a short gallop away for them.

trickykid 03-14-2005 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Donboy
Damn tree huggers. LOL!

Dude, we need all the oil we can get. Have you seen the price of gas lately? Holy crap.

I wuv the whittle animals too, but hey, screw em. They can go live in Canada. It's just a short gallop away for them.

Tell all the SUV drivers to buy a more economical fuel effecient car.. ;) All those soccer mom's really don't need that big Ford Expedition to tote groceries around in every day and dropping the kids off at school now do they? :p

And I want to gas prices to keep rising, maybe give Americans a wakeup call on their resource consumption.. ;)

Europeans been paying well over 3 to 4 dollars per gallon for years and probably a few decades.. they laugh at our prices we have now..

Blinker_Fluid 03-14-2005 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by trickykid
Building a road destroys the land from its natural self. Building homes for workers to live in destroys the land from its natural self. Building and drilling oil wells and it only taking one human to make one stupid mistake, can and will ruin the land.

Got something for you... check this out: http://extension.usu.edu/rra/html/Tour/Mining.html same place just 82 years later. This is a mining operation not some wimpy oil drilling operation. It looks like nature has taken back what it wants.

Quote:

Originally posted by trickykid
And jobs created? I doubt that. More like existing workers for the oil companies moving up there only to abandon the land when they are done.

Am I crazy, I don't think so. I just believe that we should vote to protect the environment on something that would have such a small impact on our economy and so-called oil supply than ruin land in a long lasting effect that should be protected in its original condition.

6 months supply of oil without a Job created? I didn't realize drilling for oil was free.

al_periodical 03-14-2005 02:48 PM

With you guys around I think your oil boses need to find new oil drilling ground which got lesser animals,plants,forest,butterflies,polar bears............
Don't ever think of drilling in my rosy garden yard again.I need them to balanced my hectic american life.

darkRoom 03-14-2005 03:05 PM

I'm with you on this one trickykid. Clearly a short term supply of oil is just that.

Far more beneficial to use the expertise and technology in the US to develop sustainable sources of energy thereby reducing dependance on foreign imports of oil, OPEC and the volatile price of oil. Clearly this would also be better for US national security.

Donboy 03-14-2005 03:09 PM

I knida agree with you on that, tricky. I don't care for these monster SUV's either. Damn, they are friggin huge. I think it all started with the Dodge RAM. Everybody in america with a tiny pecker said, "wow... v-10... I've gotta have one." and before you know it, they were everywhere. Then you've got Caddilac's Escalade. Geez, you put a couple of machine guns on that puppy and you can ride one into battle.

I own an SUV myself, but it's only a 4.3 liter engine, so I consider it to be more of a "conservative" SUV and not a gas-guzzling monster like the Ford Expedition. I looked at that when I was shopping for my Blazer. It gets something like 10-13 miles to the gallon. That's pretty damn pathetic.

Honestly, I believe that if the car manufacturers would drop all engine sizes to about a 4 or 5 liter size, people would still buy them, as opposed to some of these ranging from 5 to 6 liter. I think it's more about the body and the available room inside that makes people buy these things. I don't think your average soccer mom cares too much what the engine size happens to be.

Anyway, all of that being said, I still don't think human beings are that big of an impact on the environment. We like to think that we are, but really, the environment is SOOOOO much bigger than we are. One volcano blows its top and all kinds of environmental changes occur. Look at Mt. Saint Helens that popped in the early 80's. Yeah, it was a mess, but eventually everything returned to normal. Actually it just popped again last week and I'm sure things will be fine again before you know it. Natural disasters happen all over the world, and yes it kills a lot of poor unfortunate wildlife, but some of them survive and return again in the following years.

Now compare that to some miners coming up there and living for 6 months while they setup some equipment in various places and drill for oil. This is nowhere NEAR the scope of a natural disaster, and if I'm not mistaken, there was a mandate from President Carter in the 70's that mining (and drilling) operations are required to restore the land to its original state after a project is over. I remember seeing it on History channel and they showed some footage after a mining operation was over. it was pretty damn good! They damn near restored everything back to the way it was when they first showed up!

Also, I'm not sure they would actually go to the troble of building housing for such a short project. I would guess they'd simply commute from somewhere else.

Blackhawkckc 03-14-2005 03:12 PM

Fun fact, the heat conducted from the oil into the piping allows plant life to survive longer in the areas surrounding the pipeline, thus HELPING the local wildlife.

"some jobs created, and some oil provided is more likely to occur."
Not likely, certain. And what generally liberal organization would most benefit? That's right kids, oil drillers are UNIONIZED!
So, we HELP the caribou, create jobs, lower gas prices, AND lower dependency on foreign oil. How is this bad?
The real issue with gas prices aren't lack of oil supply anyway. The problem is refining the oil quickly enough to into gasoline to supply our economy. What we run into here is because of environmental activism, we have only 4 refineries in the US. We cant build new ones due to environmental legislation (same reason we aren't building new nuclear power plants {hello California energy crisis}). Of those 4, the NEWEST one was built in 1979.

al_periodical 03-14-2005 03:24 PM

Quote:

Far more beneficial to use the expertise and technology in the US to develop sustainable sources of energy thereby reducing dependance on foreign imports of oil, OPEC and the volatile price of oil. Clearly this would also be better for US national security.

Quote:

So, we HELP the caribou, create jobs, lower gas prices, AND lower dependency on foreign oil. How is this bad?

helo triky , i think it's better for you guys to be around for a while.:confused:

Donboy 03-14-2005 03:28 PM

Only 4??? Where did you read this?? I just read something recently on this that stated there were 149 of them in 2003.

KimVette 03-14-2005 03:54 PM

I support the drilling of oil in Alaska, off the East Coast, and in the Gulf of Mexico. I also support logging in the Pacific Northwest. Each can be done responsibly, in an environmentally-friendly manner. What is needed is not continued bans on each, but stricter punishments (criminal charges in addition to civil fines) for companies which do not follow safety regulations and damage the environment.

KimVette 03-14-2005 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Donboy
Damn tree huggers. LOL!
No kidding.

Hint: drilling can be done in an environmentally-responsible manner.


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