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Old 05-21-2024, 01:49 PM   #76
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SpaceX - "First video call on @X completed through @Starlink Direct to Cell satellites from unmodified mobile phones!
We’re excited to go live with @TMobile later this year" https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1792981845296160791
 
Old 05-21-2024, 04:56 PM   #77
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A few sobering facts for the Elon Musk haters here:

There are roughly 2,000 billionaires in the world as of April 2024 according to Forbes. Most people can name a handful at best because most of the extreme wealthy prefer anonymity and very few do publicly high profile work with their wealth, good or bad, from any point of view.

Name ONE that has spent/risked his wealth to accomplish anything even possibly of benefit to the future of Humanity more than Elon Musk. Take all the time you wish.

In my view it matters little if that benefit is merely secondary, collateral or by primary design. The result is the same to everyone else whether or not the ventures also enrich the investor and, really, shouldn't anyone and everyone hope to gain something for their efforts? Personally, I find most so-called "altruists" disingenuous Virtue Signalers and Armchair Quarterbacks. A few here are simply Contrarians.
Well, isnt that special!
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Old 05-21-2024, 09:42 PM   #78
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Yes, the above post is my opinion but included are objective facts not subject to anyone's opinion like how many billionaires are in the world. My opinion has done more good than any of the others and I invited you to list even one who has done more. That's not a matter of opinion. The deeds are done or they are not. It might be common that evil deeds are often hidden, or the attempt is made at least, but good deeds are shouted from the rooftops so it shouldn't be difficult to research and compare.

Of course you may also just stay ignorant of verifiable facts and continue on your mudslinging merry way. Your choice since that's what conversation, discourse and debate ideally consist of - opinions, claims and evidence to try to back those claims up.
 
Old 05-21-2024, 10:03 PM   #79
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Of course you may also just stay ignorant of verifiable facts and continue on your mudslinging merry way. Your choice since that's what conversation, discourse and debate ideally consist of - opinions, claims and evidence to try to back those claims up.




Speaking of mud slinging. ;-)
 
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https://www.businessinsider.com/most...street-2011-10

https://www.bushttps://www.businessi...street-2011-10
One article, 25 examples.

I could name a few others, but some such projects work hard to stay OUT of the news.
 
Old 05-22-2024, 10:25 AM   #81
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Speaking of mud slinging. ;-)

We disagree on the definition of mudslinging. AFAIK "mudslinging" is unsubstantiated negativity. I supplied evidence and offered/expected you to retort. You haven't, which is inline with "unsubstantiated" (sorta like "I'm rubber. You're glue")
 
Old 05-22-2024, 11:48 AM   #82
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@SpaceX: "Great capture! �� Since 2012, Dragon has delivered over 300,000 lbs of critical cargo and supplies, as well as thousands of scientific research experiments to and from the
@space_station" https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1793307865098367160

@astro_Pettit: "12 years ago the @SpaceX Dragon D1 became the first commercial cargo vehicle to visit @Space_Station, where my crewmates and I captured it with the Canada robotic arm in May 2012; Expedition 30." https://x.com/astro_Pettit/status/17...878760/photo/1
 
Old 05-27-2024, 07:52 PM   #83
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Even Bill Gates has done his bit for humanity by supplying vaccines to developing countries. It's nice to know that some rich people have a conscience.
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Old 05-28-2024, 08:14 AM   #84
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Although Musk appears to have done things for the improvement of humanity, I don't see anything noble in what he has done. Again, as described in the article at the link below (many more available online), Musk would have gone under without help from the taxpayers in the form of a loan.

https://www.thestreet.com/technology...tesla-15088992

Additionally, there are massive financial incentives from various governments for electric vehicles discussed at the link to the Tesla site below.

https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives

Then we have the problem of the manufacture of batteries for electric vehicles plus recycling.

https://www.greencars.com/greencars-...hoCZ1gQAvD_BwE

It would be easier if Musk wasn't looking for a $56 billion pay package.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-s...6-billion-pay/

What about disposal of the batteries and the problem that presents? How much has Tesla spent of its profits on this problem they benefit from? If Musk were to buy property next to his home on which to store the used Tesla batteries until they can be potentially recycled, I"d be inclined to have a more positive view of him.


It seems to me that it would be the responsibility of the electric car makers and profiteers to deal with the batteries when they reach their end of life and re-purpose them. I expect that will also be left to the taxpayers.

Regarding rich people and donations, some are reticent to go public and I expect a lot of that is they don't want people to know how much money they have. Many times, people make announcements about their great gift to humanity. even when it is a fraction (often less than 1%) of their personal wealth.

With regard to SpaceX, it gets and has received massive amounts of money from US taxpayers as has Tesla.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/spacex...ment-money-npr

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Old 05-28-2024, 10:45 AM   #85
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...Then we have the problem of the manufacture of batteries for electric vehicles plus recycling. ...What about disposal of the batteries and the problem that presents? How much has Tesla spent of its profits on this problem they benefit from? If Musk were to buy property next to his home on which to store the used Tesla batteries until they can be potentially recycled, I"d be inclined to have a more positive view of him. ...
Me: Discuss Tesla recycling batteries.

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"Tesla has significantly increased its battery recycling capacity, although it currently only sees a small number of battery packs from consumer vehicles coming back. The company has been working on its own “unique battery recycling system” to recover about 92% of battery cell materials with its recycling process. In 2021, Tesla increased its battery material recycling to 1,500 tons of nickel, 300 tons of copper, and 200 tons of cobalt. Despite the limited number of post-consumer batteries it receives, the company aims to recycle batteries at all its Gigafactory locations, with the goal of introducing valuable materials back into its manufacturing process.

Tesla's efforts in battery recycling are part of its broader environmental and cost-saving strategy. The company has stated that it intends to tailor recycling solutions to each location to maximize key battery material recovery, which is expected to result in significant savings over the long term compared to purchasing additional raw materials for cell manufacturing.

The recycling process is a slightly involved one, where electronics are removed and tested before the batteries are crushed and separated into like parts. The plastics go on to be reprocessed, and the lead [Tesla has transitioned away from earlier lead-acid auxillary batteries to lithium] is sent back to battery manufacturers for reuse. Tesla's ultimate goal is "high recovery rates, low costs, and low environmental impact" from its recycling program.

In 2023, Tesla achieved a 500+ metric ton per month battery recycling throughput at Gigafactory Nevada in Q4, and it recovered enough materials to make 9,000+ Model Y RWD vehicles. The company has been successful in its efforts, with none of its scrapped lithium-ion batteries going to landfills, and 100% being recycled.

Overall, Tesla's focus on battery recycling is a critical aspect of its strategy to reduce environmental impact and costs, ensuring a more sustainable and circular approach to its battery supply chain."


"Tesla broke ground on a lithium refinery it plans to build in Corpus Christi, Texas with CEO Elon Musk joined by Gov. Greg Abbott on Monday for the ceremony.
Tesla plans to invest $375 million to build the facility according to filings with the Texas Comptroller." https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/08/elon...-in-texas.html

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I am SO looking forward to the proliferation of the new chemistry cells that use no Lithium or other rare earths, cost less, last longer, and are easier and cheaper to recycle. (And if you do NOT recycle do less harm to the environment.)
 
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Does Tesla have any procedure set up for buyers to return their batteries to them when they are no longer useful. I don't see this as the responsibility of the taxpayers who have already spent massive amounts of money so that Tesla and other manufacturers can profit. Their responsibility.


Do you have source for the information on the tons of materials you mention being recycled and how much was not recycled?

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Intends being the operative word. Did they not know this was going to be a problem?

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That should have been part of the plan from the beginning. Seems like a lot 'plans' which should have been planned from the beginning. It's not like it was a secret, the cost of the mining, materials and disposal of batteries.

Given the massive amount of money in subsidies by the taxpayers in different jurisdictions, I would think this could have been better planned.
 
Old 05-28-2024, 03:48 PM   #88
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Does Tesla have any procedure set up for buyers to return their batteries to them when they are no longer useful. I don't see this as the responsibility of the taxpayers who have already spent massive amounts of money so that Tesla and other manufacturers can profit. Their responsibility.
I agree. As far as I know, battery replacement/re-cycling costs is something that will be captured in the inherent cost of the vehicle. Free market.

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Do you have source for the information on the tons of materials you mention being recycled and how much was not recycled?
Just what I've read off the net and what the ai spit out. Here is the 160 page 2023 'Impact Report' from Tesla if you care to read it: https://www.tesla.com/impact

Remember, Musk doesn't run Tesla. It is controlled by the Board of Directors that is presently having a share-holders vote to try to screw him out of the performance based benefits they promised him back in.. 2018, I think.

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Old 05-28-2024, 03:48 PM   #89
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Not sure how I got a double post. The forum is much better... at times but I'm still getting an occasional delay.

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Old 06-01-2024, 10:26 AM   #90
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"SpaceX Aims to Launch Cellular Starlink Service This Fall
SpaceX reveals the target date in an FCC filing that also urges the commission to loosen restrictions on radio frequency emissions to improve the system's coverage." https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-ai...vice-this-fall


"SpaceX appreciates the Commission’s leadership in adopting a flexible regulatory framework for supplemental coverage from space (“SCS”) that will enable ubiquitous mobile coverage for consumers and first responders and will set a strong example for other countries to follow.
SpaceX supports nearly all of the Commission’s recent SCS Order and looks forward to launching commercial direct-to-cellular service in the United States this fall." https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/105311484428351/1


Grok (Ai):
"SpaceX Launches Record 14 Falcon 9s in May
Last updated 2 hours ago
In May 2024, SpaceX achieved a significant milestone by launching Falcon 9 14 times, setting a new record for the company. The launches included the deployment of Starlink satellites and showcased SpaceX's rapid and reliable launch capabilities. The month also saw the announcement of SpaceX's plans to launch a direct-to-cellular service for Starlink. Additionally, SpaceX is preparing for the launch of Starship, the largest rocket to ever fly, scheduled for June 5th, 2024."
 
  


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