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Old 07-22-2016, 08:37 PM   #106
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I wish everyone could live in Detroit for 20 years and then reply.
Pretty sure you will have a different opinion.

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Old 07-23-2016, 09:09 AM   #107
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I wish everyone could live in Detroit for 20 years and then reply.
Pretty sure you will have a different opinion.
I understand you are trying to say that you are living at the underbelly of the US.

Just read what you have written before about 'the blacks in the US'. Just because you locate yourself at the underbelly of the underbelly, you cannot generalise on a whole nation. And I am sure you cannot even generalise for all of Detroit.

By the way the conclusions you drew living in Detroit, not necessarily anyone else will draw who 'lives for 20 ys in Detroit'. But I am sure there are many, many people who will not be able to follow on that...

But I must be fair: I know there is a whole lot of scum in Detroit, a huge amount. Like everywhere.

@Jeebizz:

The shooting in Munich was a common gun rampage, the killer was born and brought up in Germany. He said something like: 'Because of you I have been harrassed seven years of time', 'people like you brought me into mental treatment', 'I haven't done nothing', 'Now I had to buy a gun to kill all of you'. He shot up mostly people of his peer age group.

One neighbour, a 40-year old female told reporters: 'He was a good person, a good human.'

Our society reeks of harassments. It is not easy for everyone to bear this, especially to sensitive and unstable humans...

I wonder where all the feigned surprise in society and press stem from? The 'why?' signs.

Disgusting hypocrits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTdaWUDeGsg

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Old 07-23-2016, 11:19 AM   #108
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Jefro - While it is true that people would possibly benefit from experience of a place like Detroit there is also the high likelihood that if that is all they experience (20 years or more) they will have a skewed and provincial point of view. Example - For several years I lived 5 miles outside of a Colorado town population 180. The locals were good people and I was close with many of them. Most hated EPA and OSHA because of restrictions they imposed that seemed ignorant and out of place, even crazy. I worked for a neighbor for a few years who made a scathing remark one day and I told him that government agencies do work like that, that they tend to address the majority and when I told him that there are rivers in the US that have actually caught fire many times he was shocked and appalled, but he did then understand better why such agencies were needed in many places. Water is so scarce in Colorado that the idea of it catching fire seemed impossible as well as hellish to him and he had no way of knowing it had really happened from his normal, local life. It was a revelation because he trusted my experience outside Colorado and my integrity and truthfulness.

Detroit is an extremely economically hard-hit city as I'm sure you know. Nothing breeds discontent and in-fighting like economic problems. Nobody can live long in any heartfelt, objective way while watching their family starve. I'm using "starve" as a general term to include all manner of opportunity to improve one's life. There is mental and emotional starvation too and all of these result in the "gnashing of teeth" and lawlessness. Be careful to try to understand that your condition is localized and not the way of all people or any one group of people other than locally. Humans on the whole have far more in common than not. If you read Mein Kampf and other such political books you will also see that the powerful seek division and take advantage of such localities and situations to keep us disorganized and squabbling among ourselves. That way we don't threaten their privileged lives and position on top.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 02:23 PM   #109
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College professor Walter Williams has written about the need for United States African Americans to " police their own communities " but he fails to accept that such minority communities, as well as their police departments, are all run by entrenched " Organized Crime Families "!! Here in New York the gangsters as well as the police openly sell narcotics to children as well as adults!! A Nazi Germany you tube video has been brought to my attention by someone that believes every United States citizen needs to see!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8
 
Old 07-23-2016, 04:40 PM   #110
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Here in New York the gangsters as well as the police openly sell narcotics to children as well as adults!!
? ! What must one read?

Courtesy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...ps.22_scandals

Rationalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo..._30th_Precinct

Respect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...f_Abner_Louima

I used to think that this was heading towards the direction of bs.
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how many blacks have to die like this before they are justified shooting back
according to US constitution they are perfectly justified
Well, think again... If cops would be a mob, running things, then I also think they need to face consequences. And ideally by internal affairs and the law / attorney. If that doesn't work... well I have never read the American constitution. It sounds somewhat hilarious that citizens should need to defend against unlawfully acting police force.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 07:55 PM   #111
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Lawyers, politicians, judges, etc. are among those making a lot of money from the distribution of illegal narcotics!! The movie " Kill the Messenger " portrays the true story of reporter Gary Webb who let the entire world know that the United States Central Intelligence Agency was solely responsible for the United States " Crack Cocaine Epidemic " so that President Ronald Reagen could use the drug money to fund his illegal " Contra War " in Central America!! The Afgan war continues to this day so that Afgan heroin can be sold to the American people!! If it was not for " drug money " the United States economy would have collapsed a long time ago!!

As an aside here a 5 heartbreaking mistakes by police officers:http://thefreethoughtproject.com/fiv...?v=GHs2coAzLJ8
 
Old 07-24-2016, 06:51 AM   #112
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It is indeed heartbreaking how the police officers allegedly didn't bother to say they were sorry for these incidents. If they are sorry they should say so. A prick would not feel sorry.

Maybe thats (a wrong) official doctrine, to not negotiate the high compensation sums up.

It is even normal that small and big errors happen, even incompetencies. It is like in medecin, policemen or doctors are no gods. But it is insane to not apologise for errors. In that street the police will be loathed for a decade to come, and everybody must know this.

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Old 07-24-2016, 07:24 AM   #113
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I would very politely suggest that many of you are too-eagerly consuming what you read on Fox News the evening news (or its equivalent web sites). And, disturbingly, imbibing of racial stereotypes. Fact is, the white people who blew up a building in Oklahoma City, and the kids who shot up a school named Columbine, and the kid who shot up a theater in ... well, you get the idea.

And before you call Detroit "the butthole of America," have you actually been there? Didn't think so.

Many news articles encourage and prey-upon "the fear of Other." For instance, if you surround yourself with "middle-class not-Other-ness" and put the "Others" far away (and, of course, in much less middle-class circumstances, as their obvious inferiority "Otherness" demands ...) then you will be "safe."

As Bruce Hornsby said in his song: "ahh, don't you believe it!"

"How bad can it get?" I suppose that's where you look, and whether you are defeatist when you look there. People look very differently at you when you drive into a neighborhood in a mini-van full of hot food ... Try it, sometime.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 08:01 AM   #114
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Comment of Michael Jordan to tensions:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/sp...s-race-police/
 
Old 07-27-2016, 01:36 PM   #115
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This is simply a group that in general doesn't believe in law or order.
Jefro, you're going quite far in the generalization. It's OK on LQ to have discussions, even hot ones, but we do not insult people here. Think about it again. Note also that this is against the LQ rules. If you have questions about this policy, please ask any mod or the site admin.
 
Old 07-27-2016, 08:01 PM   #116
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Jefro, you're going quite far in the generalization. It's OK on LQ to have discussions, even hot ones, but we do not insult people here. Think about it again. Note also that this is against the LQ rules. If you have questions about this policy, please ask any mod or the site admin.
IMHO this sort of "policing" entirely misses the larger and more accurate point and tends to stifle learning. The real point is that it is foolhardy to try to make a wide and sweeping judgment on any group of humans numbering more than just a handful, especially if based on what is perceived as Race. It is far more likely to be accurate if based on Culture but even then the odds are not good and the statement precarious at best. To be clear any statement that begins "All Germans", "All Russians", "All Africans", "All Nigerians", "All people living in Detroit with darker skin and less money than me.." is likely followed by wrongful negativity and generally not worth reading any further.
 
Old 07-28-2016, 01:11 PM   #117
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Can a " homeless guy " do the right thing in New York City?? I guess so:http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...ailyNewsletter
 
Old 08-01-2016, 05:22 PM   #118
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The cycle of racial violence in our nation is as predictable as it is recurrent. Repression leads to poverty, poverty to hopelessness and crime, crime to police intervention, often violent, and police violence leads to violent retaliation against the police. This is not to excuse any violence, but explain its genesis.-James D. Robenalt
 
Old 08-03-2016, 03:21 PM   #119
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Tension is in the air; and it is getting worse:http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/...al-home-brawl/
 
Old 08-03-2016, 03:44 PM   #120
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Oh geez come on this is nothing new and it is certainly no longer true that all, or even a majority of any culture or so-called "race" are weak and poor in the US. Change is slow but it is also inexorable. Just as "End of Days" keeps on being predicted "tomorrow" the Chicken Littles of the world will apparently continue to predict the sky is falling. Do you really want to be in that group? It is always wisest to "bet with the House" and the Establishment is not at all concerned with Race or Civil War in the US. Please re-evaluate your odds and get sensible. Either be a part of the problem (rabble rousing) or of the solution (legislation).... you choose.
 
  


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