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Old 07-11-2016, 08:12 PM   #61
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The problem of American police violence is that the police are now defined as exceptional and unaccountable. They can kill the rest of us without accountability, just as Washington slaughters untold numbers of peoples in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Pakistan. Unexceptional peoples are dispensable.-Paul Craig Roberts
 
Old 07-11-2016, 10:03 PM   #62
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I agree with cousinlucky. With few exceptions, American police do not have immunity; they have impunity, at least as regards Not White persons. 007 would be jealous of their license to kill. I could go on, but I won't.

I offer a couple of links. If you follow only one, follow the second one.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...es-this-happen

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...6bb29ffa3.html

Frankly, I fear the American dream hast become a nightmare. And that's in my more optimistic moments.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 12:41 AM   #63
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Where I come from the police do not carry guns.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 04:52 AM   #64
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On Friday July 15, 2016 " Days of Rage " protests against police brutality are scheduled in a large number of United States cities!! You can bet your very last dollar that " the powers that be " will be sending in agitators on both sides to ensue that there is plenty of violence and mayhem that will provide vast media coverage of this unholy war in the streets!! Are you ready for the mercenaries, concentration camps, disappearances, torture cells, and exterminations typical of fascism that are on the horizon?? The " constitution " will be suspended or abolished; everyone will be bar-coded for identification and citizenship; retraining schools will be set up to train everyone to " worship the government " on bended knees!! The land of the free will turn into humanities very worse nightmare and every despot from Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. etc. will be eclipsed by the New World Order!!

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Old 07-12-2016, 06:29 AM   #65
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Came across this the other day:

https://imgur.com/gallery/9mGzF
 
Old 07-12-2016, 07:33 AM   #66
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On Friday July 15, 2016 " Days of Rage " protests against police brutality are scheduled in a large number of United States cities!! You can bet your very last dollar that " the powers that be " will be sending in agitators on both sides to ensue that there is plenty of violence and mayhem that will provide vast media coverage of this unholy war in the streets!! Are you ready for the mercenaries, concentration camps, disappearances, torture cells, and exterminations typical of fascism that are on the horizon?? The " constitution " will be suspended or abolished; everyone will be bar-coded for identification and citizenship; retraining schools will be set up to train everyone to " worship the government " on bended knees!! The land of the free will turn into humanities very worse nightmare and every despot from Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. etc. will be eclipsed by the New World Order!!
Much of what you say shows some proper restraint and reason. What happened? In retrospect, don't you think this last post just a wee bit overly paranoid and fanciful?
 
Old 07-12-2016, 12:34 PM   #67
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Where I come from the police do not carry guns.
That is called deescalation. That is diametral of the way the USA has chosen. I bet the USA will escalade further. And equip the police with automatic assault rifles. So every citizen will be taught explicitly that police are a menace, that you need to be cautious of and prepare yourself at all times to defend against. But also the racial apartheid, othering, stupidity, arrogance, bitterness and propaganda are a problem. Hey, is that the american way of life?
 
Old 07-12-2016, 01:35 PM   #68
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Post Death robots: Where next after Dallas?

"The use of a robot to deliver an explosive device and kill the Dallas shooting suspect has intensified the debate over a future of "killer robots"."

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36778374


So now the debate turns to killer robots and drones. I dunno, again I stated earlier that I was sorry that they did not take this fsck alive. Thats kinda why I wished maybe the could have tried something less lethal, I would have deployed it perhaps loaded with tasers and also very fast acting muscle paralysis darts or something, hell if he is military trained I am sure even he couldn't withstand 1 or 2 darts laced with even horse tranquilizer. Oh well.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 02:38 PM   #69
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Gentlemen:

Maples thank you for the link to the police officers statement!! I know exactly how he feels following right and wrong instead of skin color!! Most people are quite unaware of anything that does not happen within their own comfortable surroundings!! Here upon Staten Island, and in many other places, black on black crime is condoned and encouraged by politicians and the police. Minorities can not police their own neighborhoods without being harassed or killed by the armed thugs terrorizing the streets!! Going to court because you witnessed a crime puts you and your family in very grave danger!! The greatest problem has always been about proper respect which must be given before any real dialog can take place between different groups of people!!

Enorbet, I am not to my knowledge being paranoid, I think that I am being very realistic!! Come July 18, 2016 and it has been a peaceful weekend than I will be very surprised and admit to making a mistake in my forecast!! I would love to do so because I wish that events were not unfolding as they are all over these United States!! I remember on one of my birthdays I came home from work and that evening I headed out with my wife to celebrate and we drove right into the middle of a raging riot!! That riot was started by a black police officer belting a black woman in the mouth!! Fate had put my and my wife into that situation so I dealt with it and got everybody mad!! I went to meetings, I got on the radio and requested help and in a week I was running an armed unauthorized police force and the rioting as well as everything else stopped. Things quickly went back " to normal " because the gangsters, the politicians, and the police do not want an armed group of minorities controlling their own neighborhoods!! The police everywhere are no different than an ordinary street gang ruling their turf; they do whatever they feel like doing because the streets, and everyone in them, belong to them!!

Jeebizz, our government engages in " summary executions " all over the world 24/7 and the Dallas police chief used a robot, in stead of a drone, with the same result!! I expect laws will soon be passed and fleeing suspects will have their vehicles blown up instead of being run off of the road and it will be called " progress "!!

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Old 07-12-2016, 02:47 PM   #70
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Amazingly enough, in Atlanta, Georgia, a peaceful protest was held, and the Mayor, who by-the-way is black, was actively present and talking with the other people virtually all evening.

It's wrong to stereotype police officers for the very unpleasant job they do, and to paint them all using the same "broad, frankly bigoted, brush" because of the few bad-apples among them that richly deserve the murder convictions that they duly receive.

Police officers are authorized to use deadly force, and sometimes, they have to. They have to make snap judgments in hostile situations, and to answer for them. Among their ranks, it turns out, there are a few murderers.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 03:47 PM   #71
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Amazingly enough, in Atlanta, Georgia, a peaceful protest was held, and the Mayor, who by-the-way is black, was actively present and talking with the other people virtually all evening.

It's wrong to stereotype police officers for the very unpleasant job they do, and to paint them all using the same "broad, frankly bigoted, brush" because of the few bad-apples among them that richly deserve the murder convictions that they duly receive.

Police officers are authorized to use deadly force, and sometimes, they have to. They have to make snap judgments in hostile situations, and to answer for them. Among their ranks, it turns out, there are a few murderers.
I went to Atlanta Georgia on a two week vacation many years ago and stayed six months!! Most of the people there were for real instead of being phonies like in northern cities!! The snakes, giant insects, etc. drove me back to Boston!! I think that their strict law enforcement as well as the business climate ( which is open to all ) enables people there to peacefully address any issues that might arise!!
 
Old 07-12-2016, 07:26 PM   #72
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Ping cousinlucky - A police officer "belting a woman in the mouth" and an ensuing riot is still a very far cry from suspension or dissolution of The Constitution, universal martial law, bar coding et cetera don't you think? For one thing politicians and the power behind them are more crafty than to actually suspend The Constitution. They'd prefer to just ignore it, do as they wish, and tell us they were protecting it. Spin Doctoring is a fine art, and also a despicable one, but it does work. My point is that it is highly unlikely for any manner of revolutionary change to take place when the Status Quo is much more likely to succeed (or be thought to) in keeping the powerful in control.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 09:25 PM   #73
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Enorbet a riot at a demonstration in 1965 is a far cry from some riots at a number of demonstrations in 2016 during the " uneasy political presidential election " that the United States is presently involved in!! It does not matter which candidate wins the election in November the United States public is still going to be very angry!! The laws on the books have been put aside many times by many different presidents!! I am just of the belief that many new " control measures " are going to be forced down our throats by our elites!! In this year of political upheaval anything is possible and probable!! Only time will tell!!
 
Old 07-12-2016, 10:57 PM   #74
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Peaceful protests were held in many places. Some of them may have been a bit raucous, but raucous still falls within the realm of "peaceful."

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It's wrong to stereotype police officers for the very unpleasant job they do, and to paint them all using the same "broad, frankly bigoted, brush" because of the few bad-apples among them that richly deserve the murder convictions that they duly receive.
I agree wholeheartedly. In the course of my career, I've known a lot of cops, and all but one have been good and decent persons. That one--in a management rank at the time I knew him--had been brutalized by a brutalizing job and was a grade A jerk, but, frankly, he was probably a jerk before he became a cop.

Nevertheless, police departments seem unwilling to rid themselves of their own bad apples, but, instead, circle the (paddy?) wagons around them and find ways to exonerate them from penalty for misconduct. AFAIC, that indicts the entire police establishment in the USA. If they are unwilling to police themselves, they cannot be trusted to police the polity.

Until the police are willing to police themselves. the rot will continue.

Just as an aside (and this is a general comment), I place no truck in massive conspiracy theories. I find it interesting that the persons who are most likely to claim that the government is incompetent simultaneously assert that the government is capable of quite competently orchestrating massive surreptitious conspiracies. It seems rather oxymoronic to me, but what do I know?

Just my two cents.
 
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Presently in New York City some very high ranking police officers are being prosecuted for bribery and selling their badges, but that is just the tip of the corruption iceberg here!! In the United States of America every large city police department is corrupt in some way!! In some large cities the police departments are run entirely by organized crime!! Police officers are under payed, on purpose, so they are forced to accept " dirty money " in one form or another; be it gambling, prostitution, or illegal narcotics, etc. etc.!! The killing of innocent people by the police is very tragic; but there are much more serious problems, in my view, that will never be addressed because people, and politicians, are afraid to even bring them up!! I call the criminal narcotics enterprises being run by the New York City Police Department the " new untouchables " because they will never be prosecuted!! Do you have any " new untouchables " in your neighborhood??
 
  


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