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Old 07-09-2016, 03:57 PM   #31
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I think the Land Of The Free and the Home Of The Brave needs some human rights...
Sadly the people suffer because the unelected dictators abuse their positions. Much like the former Soviet Bloc and modern day China.
Yea sure, because the US is just squeaky clean in their own history of human rights. I am getting rather tired of this tactic of pointing fingers at others. You know what? With regards to Russia or The People's Republic of China, to their credit they do not go around pointing fingers at others. The US does that a lot, so they can distract others from the same exact bullshit they pull off.

Thank the Lord huh? Well whats that one passage then - "let ye without sin cast the first stone" --- Well you know what, in terms of stones, the US has Russia and China beat, since they have been casting a lot of them; yet they are the ones causing so much shit lately in the world. Human rights my ass; I am sure the governments of Russia and the PRC could take lessons on distracting people from real issues, the former Soviet Union leaders, such as Brezhnev would just be in awe of the double speak and double standards of the US today.
 
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I'm not sure whether you're agreeing with me confusingly or misread my post?
By the way, I put the UK government pretty high in the "abusing power" stakes but their human rights record at home at least* isn't half as bad as that of the US.

*Tony "The Butcher Of Baghdad" Blair has a lot to answer for.

Edit: By "The Soviet Bloc" I mean it in the old sense of CCCP.

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Old 07-09-2016, 04:08 PM   #33
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I'm not sure whether you're agreeing with me confusingly or misread my post?
By the way, I put the UK government pretty high in the "abusing power" stakes but their human rights record at home at least* isn't half as bad as that of the US.

*Tony "The Butcher Of Baghdad" Blair has a lot to answer for.
Ok my apologies, I clearly misread/understood . I guess also tone is kinda hard at times on just text . You are absolutely right though.

Also since we are on a slight tangent, you will never see someone like Tony Blair or W and co on trial at the Hague for war crimes, the very same organization that is meant to prosecute that kind of stuff, then you wonder why also the Russians don't think highly of The Hague either, why shouldn't they criticise? It is a double standard, prosecuting some while looking the other way on other issues.

So in some cases I give the higher moral ground TO the Russians and the Chinese.


Anyways back on topic - As I indicated earlier this latest event - I do not see how anyone could be sympathetic to this person that just got killed in Houston. Regardless of his race, the dumbass point a gun at the police. It was his fault, I can't see how those protesting police violence can also protest this latest event. It was his fault.

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Old 07-09-2016, 04:14 PM   #34
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So in some cases I give the higher moral ground TO the Russians and the Chinese.


Anyways back on topic - As I indicated earlier this latest event - I do not see how anyone could be sympathetic to this person that just got killed in Houston. Regardless of his race, the dumbass point a gun at the police. It was his fault, I can't see how those protesting police violence can also protest this latest event. It was his fault.
I just tend to give them all the lower ground and have done with it but, as you say, that is another topic.
As to this I can understand anybody in the US wanting to kill representatives of a corrupt, oppressive state. Have a google at the US Jail system (in other words, innocent until proven guilty) and how many people are abused before trial as a nice example of the US "justice system".

By the way, I've liked the majority of US citizens I have met but their government and "justice system" are appalling.
 
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I just tend to give them all the lower ground and have done with it but, as you say, that is another topic.
As to this I can understand anybody in the US wanting to kill representatives of a corrupt, oppressive state. Have a google at the US Jail system (in other words, innocent until proven guilty) and how many people are abused before trial as a nice example of the US "justice system".

By the way, I've liked the majority of US citizens I have met but their government and "justice system" are appalling.
No argument there, especially since the jails are privately run thats why you still have most people going to jail for possession of Marijuana, pff .

Still I know I keep repeating myself and I again apologize, but this latest killing - the guy had a gun and pointed it at the cops.....Not the smartest thing to do, what exactly did anyone think the outcome would be though?
 
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Still I know I keep repeating myself and I again apologize, but this latest killing - the guy had a gun and pointed it at the cops.....Not the smartest thing to do, what exactly did anyone think the outcome would be though?
Well, yes, and it's me who ought to apologise -- it was a foregone conclusion.
 
Old 07-09-2016, 04:47 PM   #37
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Where there is no justice eventually you get anarchy, revolution, or war!! Here is another article very related to this topic:
http://www.dansanchez.me/feed/from-c...unity-corrupts
 
Old 07-09-2016, 10:01 PM   #38
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This seems germane.

Persons who point guns at the police and live to tell about it.

I will be blunt.

The bald truth is that racism is as American as apple pie. The legal concept of race was invented in Virginia in the late 1600s to justify chattel slavery. Race is indeed a most modern concept; the ancients did not know it.

To the extent that we (as I am an American) deny the racism in our history and our society, we perpetuate it.

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Old 07-10-2016, 04:01 AM   #39
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It was one negro United States army veteran in Dallas doing the shooting of the police officers!! Unfortunately, violence only begets more violence, so many more killings are on the way!! I have run across 2 articles that clearly tell the essence of what caused this tragic event, in my view. In my 72 years I have been attacked by criminals and I have been attacked by police officers; humans take all kinds of creeds to live by!! I have had dealings with good police officers and also good dealings with criminals; because if you look you can even find some good in bad people!! Two wrongs do not make a right and killing innocent people is never justified!! Article one below was written by a negro newspaper reporter and article two was written by an arrow maker!! I hope that you find them interesting!!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...=PST%20Control

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/...atrics-please/
Thank you. Both of those are not only interesting but poignant.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 04:33 AM   #40
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The bald truth is that racism is as American as apple pie. The legal concept of race was invented in Virginia in the late 1600s to justify chattel slavery. Race is indeed a most modern concept; the ancients did not know it.

To the extent that we (as I am an American) deny the racism in our history and our society, we perpetuate it.
That link doesn't work as I get "not found" when i try to play or download the mp3. I'd like to hear it since I find it very hard to believe that racism didn't exist among "the ancients" as Ins and Outs have always existed especially for people who will focus on the slightest visible difference to fear, hate, discriminate and, often, kill. This is true whether it is the size and shape of eyes and noses or even clothing as well as the most obvious, skin pigmentation. It is also just as ignorant of the facts as it is pervasive. Incidentally, Africans were not the only slaves and indentured servants from 1600 - 1800. In fact almost all cultures have at one time been slaves and/or slave owners.

That such ignorant attitudes can be allowed to exist in modern society is despicable and self-destructive but it is also incredibly seductive because it is just so easy to depend on how things (or people) appear. Hollywood (and even other nation's media production centers) teach us wrongly that crooks have a distinctive dark and flamboyantly trashy look, when in fact, the very worst actually look like so-called pillars of society, often, in uniform.

I don't know how knowing that really there is no such thing as "race" since every single human on Earth is homo sapiens that we still continue to trust our eyes in identifying "Others Who Threaten" but I do know that, for example, even I would feel more uncomfortable in a plane after 9/11 with an obvious Arab passenger aboard, and I have a number of friends who happen to also be Muslim. It seems inescapable. It is in all of us to varying degrees and somehow it must cease to exist. How is very complicated and difficult, but we must try, since in this modern, mobile world, everywhere is a Mixing Pot that has great potential to "come to a boil".

Since there does still exist large numbers of people who do not realize that we are all literally cousins, the first step must be education, but how can school work when governments hire and protect violent racists at many levels, and especially in Police who are in all communities?

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“You want to know what this was really all about?”asked John Daniel Ehrlichman, President Nixon’s counsel and domestic policy chief, of Dan Baum for a 1994 article in Harper’s Magazine. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and black people with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
 
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Yes, a lot of American cops are racist. And yes, the American courts are corrupt, with most cases being settled by plea bargains rather than a fair trial. But how is any of this relevant to the deliberate killing of ordinary policemen in Dallas? These men had not shot any black people. They were just going about their ordinary work policing a demonstration when someone decided to slaughter them in cold blood. It's exactly the same as if I was to express my abhorrence of Tesco's treatment of their suppliers by going into my local Tesco supermarket and killing some of the women working the tills.
 
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Yes, a lot of American cops are racist. And yes, the American courts are corrupt, with most cases being settled by plea bargains rather than a fair trial. But how is any of this relevant to the deliberate killing of ordinary policemen in Dallas? These men had not shot any black people. They were just going about their ordinary work policing a demonstration when someone decided to slaughter them in cold blood. It's exactly the same as if I was to express my abhorrence of Tesco's treatment of their suppliers by going into my local Tesco supermarket and killing some of the women working the tills.
Finally someone with common sense. I still do not see how anyone can support this 'freedom fighter' and his actions. He was a terrorist plain and simple and his actions are invalid.

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Greetings Hazel!! The sick actions of Mr. Micah Xavier Johnson in killing 5 innocent police officers is the same as Dylann Roof killing 8 people in a church, or blowing up a church full of children, or shooting up a school full of children, or killing a lot of people in a movie theater; human beings kill because they are consumed with hate!! There is no justification for killing any innocent people but governments do it all the time throughout human history!! Here in the U.S.A. there are numerous websites that every single day show people of all ilks being harassed, beaten, or killed by police officers who never suffer any consequences for their actions!! I know how dangerous it is to be a police officer, but where I live the police run prostitution rings, gambling rings, and narcotics rings with the same impunity as killing innocent people like Mr. Garner!! The police here, like the government here are out of control!! Violence only begets more violence and much more violence is only around the corner because each killing increases the hate on each and every side!! We can all hope and pray that it goes away; but there are way too many people who hate 24/7 and they are just waiting for " the open race war " to begin!!

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Personally I think it is a bit over-the-top to expect a full out Race war since despite large scale hatred, not that many people actually imagine they can go toe-to-toe with Uncle Sam who is not a kindly old gent with a funny hat but a grumpy ol' codger who whacks kids with his cane if they walk too close to his shoes, thanks to the "quality" of way too many of our voting public. It is far more likely that if it escalates at all it will be just like this, isolated guerilla type terrorist actions and the results will be reminiscent of Waco. Then, business as usual since it should be obvious that despite working hard enough to be feared and hated, Internal Affairs has done very little to clean up many Police forces.

That said, anyone who calls someone who targets innocents just because they have some vague association with "bad eggs" is indeed a terrorist and certainly NOT a freedom fighter as such indiscriminate actions only hurt the cause of "equal under the Law" and tend to radicalize good cops making matters far worse. How can anyone in their right mind applaud or even excuse that?
 
  


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