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Old 07-28-2019, 11:27 AM   #16
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I agree it's a minefield, and current left-wing bigotry (you really have to call it that) doesn't make it easier to have a civilised conversation about the subject.

With abortion the problem is that there is simply no right action in this situation. There is only a choice between two wrong actions. If a woman is pregnant and does not want the child, then whether we terminate the pregnancy or force her to continue it, someone's "inalienable" rights are going to have to be violated. Either hers or the child's. If we start from the premise that both solutions are bad and we have to determine which is the lesser evil, then there is some possibility of finding a way forward that we can all agree on. Otherwise it's gridlock and all that counts is who shouts loudest.

When it comes to sex and gender, I believe that what people do with their own bodies, if it doesn't involve anyone else's, is between them and God. If it does involve another person, then the most important question for me is not whether that person has convex or concave genitals but whether anyone is being exploited or abused.

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Old 07-28-2019, 11:35 AM   #17
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They sure do, and that's male. Right down at the genetic level.
And what then is a person with a XXY triplet?
The double X would make it a female (as the Y "doesn't contain" many genes, it is almost empty), but there still IS one Y present.
 
Old 07-28-2019, 11:35 AM   #18
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He ain't my boy...I laugh when I see him...but
It's the far political left that has being trying to extinguish free speech for years now. Even to the point that if you refuse to go along with their mental disorders, such as a boy can be a girl and a girl can be a boy depending on how they feel.

If you suggest that there are 2 biological genders, they will try to get you fired, destroy your life, assault you, imprison you...etc.

They have even tried to get licensed medical doctors in trouble for telling them about basic science, that every cell in your body has a Y chromosome in it, you have male genitalia, you are a male. Now you may have a dress on, but you are still male. They have demanded that they be silenced, and punished.

It isn't stupid sounding orange hair that is the threat to free speech and liberty. In fact, I would say that the far left is a bigger treat to freedom/free speech in the US than Putin is. Trump can be voted out next election if the electorate desires.
Regardless of some leftist governments in some pats of the world (with their varying positions in the political spectrum), it's the right wing the ones who rule the world now. And speaking about the US, there are only two parties--a right-wing party and a far-right-wing party. Both try to limit free speech to different degrees, being the right-wing party (the republicans), the most aggressive in this regard.

As for gender issues, we're in the 21st century now, in case you haven't realized.
 
Old 07-28-2019, 11:58 AM   #19
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@hazel
Well said.

Post 11 was meant to be about suppressing free speech.
Twitter, Facebook, political action group media, universities, public schools, are all participating in it. And it seems to have a slant to it. No descent from their side. Or you get punished.

Then someone said how do you feel about your boy Trump. I don't think he's smart enough to do much damage. I sure am glad that he is there though. Just as a counter to the other side. That video that I posted shows a lot. 30 years in the making. Trump gets fed things.

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And speaking about the US, there are only two parties--a right-wing party and a far-right-wing party.
What do you call the current crop of Democrats running in the primary? Right wing? Then what was Stalin? A capitalist?

It's not the right wing suppressing speech in the universities. Conservatives have to hide it to keep from getting attacked or kicked out.

I'm curious about what you think of the fascist terrorist group called Antifa. Or the racist hate group called Southern Poverty Law Center

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I'm not ignoring you, I just don't have an answer.
 
Old 07-28-2019, 12:49 PM   #20
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@hazelConservatives have to hide it to keep from getting attacked or kicked out.
I don't live in the US so I don't know, but maybe it's because people are getting tired of them?
 
Old 07-28-2019, 12:53 PM   #21
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Though, to be honest, I think it has more to do with a society-division strategy people are not even aware of.

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Old 07-28-2019, 02:16 PM   #22
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I really don't wish to see this thread get side-tracked into gender definitions, whether a fetus = a baby, or for that matter Left vs/ Right. Frankly I agree with few of them. I only mentioned Trump because I find it appalling that working class people think he stands up for them. I don't give a damn what party he says he is affiliated with. I'm only judging his administration by the inconsistencies between what he says and what he does and his disregard for basic human rights and, in fact, The US Constitution, and in this case specifically about the right to Free Speech and how cryptography protects that right, which his man wants to break. I am equally dismayed by so-called Democrats as so-called Republicans. Party politics bores me silly. Please take that nonsense elsewhere... start your own new thread.
 
Old 07-29-2019, 05:12 AM   #23
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I really don't wish to see this thread get side-tracked into gender definitions, whether a fetus = a baby, or for that matter Left vs/ Right.
Yes those particular horses have been beaten to death... plus automatic conflation of "leftist" politics with what I would call "politically correct values" is another seemingly never ending, fallacious argument continually presented by right wing of the US as "leftist".
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I am equally dismayed by so-called Democrats as so-called Republicans. Party politics bores me silly. Please take that nonsense elsewhere... start your own new thread.
Two cheeks of the same arse.
 
  


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