Depends ... if you have a link to the clip, right click
and "copy link". If you are on the clips youtube-page,
copy the URL from the location bar.

So I can just put the URL of the YouTube web page into TinyOgg, not the .flv file's url?

Certainly worked for me (I tried it for the first time when I saw your post ;D).

Hopefully when HTML5 becomes standard (if ever ) we won't have to put up with this kind of crap.

Download the video, convert it to a non-patented format, etc., etc. Why can't we just play it using a native plugin (e.g. Totem, MPlayer, Quicktime, WMP, etc.), and watch it right in our browser?

Oh, I know why! $$$!

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Actually, I think there are some greasemonkey scripts that modify youtube etc. pages to use native video players but I never tried any yet.
Still, we shouldn't need such hacks in an ideal world.

What are these "greasemonkey scripts"?

And if you use them, will you not have to wait for the entire video to download before watching?

I decided to try TinyOgg, but when I went to TinyOgg.com it says "502 - Bad Gateway".

Let flash go. God yes. It is terrible on resources.

Keep trying, it is an experimental servic and I don't think they have much resources to serve a big number of users.


Greasemonkey is a Firefox extension. It is a bit hard to get started but the results are great. Let me explain:
You can write or download certain javascript scripts that modify the code and behaviour of certain web pages. For example, I downloaeded a script which modifies wikipedia pages by hiding the left frame and scrolling the table of contents as I scroll the article. This script is associated with wikipedia.org, and greasemonkey runs the script automatically whenever I visit that site.

Maybe a startup tutorial will be more helpful:
1- Install greasemonkey add-on to your Firefox(from mozilla add ons)
2- Install greasefire add-on
3- Restart Firefox
Now, you will see a monkey icon in your status bar, and possibly with a fiery background. If there is fire in the background, you are lucky, there are already popular scripts for this website.
4- Right-click on the monkey icon and explore the context menu.

Hmm, this message was a bit off-topic.

Ever play yahoo chess?
Then not too infrequently you might be staring at a board with no pawns moved yet a queen and bishop are in front of the pawns, or some strange and alien position.
Even Chess Cube messed up - tho rarer than Yahoo Chess.
Most chess servers have a standard protocol and any of many native apps can relay the moves and render the games, record timestamps etc -FLAWLESSLY (99.9999999% of the time at least).

Flash doesn't seems to have a crippled mouse interface - mainly no mouse wheel or alternate clicks. This may be programmer's decision - maybe supporting older macs with mice with "hoofs" instead of modern 3 button scrolls.

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HTNL 5 had limited functionality on Chrome YouTube at first (player wouldn't rewind or ff) , but now one can hardly tell the difference.
Too bad we aren;t using Ogg Theora and open source open codecs as default standards.

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I think the patent office has been corrupted and is in need of serious overhaul.
RIAA is just high on coke (sex, greed, unmerited power etc) and the FCC is too often bullied by politics instead of their own rationality.

Some of this stuff really make me sick.

Have you heard of WebM?

YouTube is converting to it right now (really)!

I'm using gnash to get past some "install x + y +z ..." sites and mplayer to play the videos. Mplayer works great as a flash plugin.

Just when I was losing all hope for humanity.
Web M sounds great!
Thanks M

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I hate those "Action Script Error" alerts.
Sometimes I click away more of those than I move pieces in a chess game.

The problem is that I can't get any WebM browser to even run.

I get the feeling that would be stupidity on the programmer's part.