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Old 05-10-2019, 06:43 PM   #31
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Hmmm, you do realize that Microsoft never disavowed: embrace extend extinguish. It's still their policy, perhaps with a different name, but its coming. Similar to China and Japan holding all of those US treasury notes; one day demand for payment will be made and then the game is up/over.
 
Old 05-10-2019, 10:14 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by RickDeckard View Post
The reality of multiple Linux distributions being at this very moment able to utilize Secure Boot (whether Fedora, SuSE, Ubuntu, or whatever you want to insert here) answers your whole question of traction.
Those certs only work because they are signed by M$. Please go back and read up on the last 10 years of news in the area, especially the older debates from near the beginning of that period. If and when M$ decides to withdraw permission for those distros to continue booting, they are gone. M$ is in full control of whether you can boot any of those distros even once.
 
Old 05-10-2019, 11:10 PM   #33
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Those certs only work because they are signed by M$. Please go back and read up on the last 10 years of news in the area, especially the older debates from near the beginning of that period. If and when M$ decides to withdraw permission for those distros to continue booting, they are gone. M$ is in full control of whether you can boot any of those distros even once.
As that is written it is untrue and complete FUD. You have completely ignored the Setup requirement built into UEFI for starters. Also do you imagine manufacturers will cease to build computers, let alone components, that have no OpSys installed and therefore requiring some bootable media to do the install routine?

Also several Distros have already purchased from MS certificates just to cover any eventuality and once booted most solid Linux user/admins could substitute any installer and install any distro and boot it.

For cryin' out loud stop freaking out and get real. Will MS continue to maximize their niche and limit others? Of course! Are they all powerful in this regard? Hell no! It simply cannot happen as long as anyone not loyal to MS, or any other such enterprise, knows how to code and/or hack even at the most simplistic levels, and that would only be required if UEFI shoots itself in the foot and disallows creating one's own certificates or toggling Secure Boot.

MS may have 90+% of the Desktop market but Linux has 90+% of everything else which represents a vastly greater amount of effective demand and power MS can only ever fantasize about. The sky ain't falling, Chicken Little.

Important Note - I suggest anyone concerned look into the manner in which Syslinux operates and how it can work with OR defeat Secure Boot. At the very least we will always have that If there is any manner of boot "handle" after CPU reset (and there must be) a "hand" can be fashioned to fit it. It really isn't rocket surgery.

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Old 05-17-2019, 03:13 AM   #34
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2019: The year of the Microsoft Linux desktop.

Seriously though, for most everyday tasks, the kernel addition to the WSL is of no real advantage.
 
  


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