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View Poll Results: Do you think death penalty is proper?
I would kill him 10 47.62%
I would send him to Jail till the end of his life 8 38.10%
I would let him free 3 14.29%
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Old 12-29-2006, 05:31 PM   #1
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Shall he be killed?


Hi,

I am struggling with a certain moral issue for a while now and I still could not make up my mind. I would like to ask the community to tell me their opinion on this topic responsibly because that is going to influence me. You can be part of my moral education now. :P

So there is a guy who is about to be killed but I have got strong feelings against it. How to summarize my feelings... I want you to know why I am struggling with it. This guy is Saddam Hussein. His death penalty is going to be executed tomorrow or after tomorrow.

My faith says do not kill. This is the 5th commandment. I the USA there are 3 things that is above every other rights. The natural rights. Life, freedom, property. I was thought by my teachers that doing something against these 3 natural rights is the worst. My faith says that do not kill. Be merciful.
On the other hand many people think that it is proper to kill a man for his sins that he made against the mankind. I am pretty sure that he will suffer after his death but do you think that we should take away his most precious gift, that God gave him, his life? Do you think that it is not enough to send him to Jail till the end of his life? Do you think that we should take away that little chance to regret what he has done? Maybe it is not gonna happen in this decade or in the following but maybe in the 3rd it will. Maybe it is going to change him, maybe he might find his true faith and he might find forgiveness.
He made terrible things, I admit. I was angry, I was disappointed and I wanted him to die but now I forgave him. It is hard, it is always harder but you know, without it we, we are not any better than he is. We must be more merciful, we must want to be a better men than he is, we must try to follow the right path.
By killing him, we are not any better than he is, he was or he is going to be.

I hope the admins and moderators are not going to close this topic as it means a lot to me.

Dani
 
Old 12-29-2006, 05:37 PM   #2
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I threw away my vote on "let him free". I thought that was funny.
 
Old 12-29-2006, 05:42 PM   #3
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Let me ask you a question. Why is it that you live in a country that has the death penalty, yet this one mans death bothers you?
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I the USA there are 3 things that is above every other rights.

He is being sent to death with a law he passed, need I say any more.

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Old 12-29-2006, 05:47 PM   #4
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My faith says do not kill. This is the 5th commandment. I the USA there are 3 things that is above every other rights. The natural rights. Life, freedom, property.
What about the rights of the people that he killed.
 
Old 12-29-2006, 05:50 PM   #5
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I do not live in the USA. I am Hungarian and I am disgusted that the people in the USA authorized the government to kill. The government of the USA is representing the people's will there and if the government kills somebody that means that you are partly the murderer. I do not want to be part of such government. I will never be.

I do not wish him to die as I do not wish anyone else to be killed. I hate what has happened and I hate that there is war. I want peace.
 
Old 12-29-2006, 05:52 PM   #6
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What about the rights of the people that he killed.
Yes... He ignored these rights I agree. But the eye for eye is not working any more. Maybe it was a couple thousand years ago but now I believe that NOBODY has got the right to kill anyone even tho that person in Saddam Hussein.
 
Old 12-29-2006, 05:57 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by vargadanis
I do not live in the USA. I am Hungarian and I am disgusted that the people in the USA authorized the government to kill. The government of the USA is representing the people's will there and if the government kills somebody that means that you are partly the murderer. I do not want to be part of such government. I will never be.

I do not wish him to die as I do not wish anyone else to be killed. I hate what has happened and I hate that there is war. I want peace.
I'm confused then, can you please explain this quote
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My faith says do not kill. This is the 5th commandment. I the USA there are 3 things that is above every other rights. The natural rights. Life, freedom, property. I was thought by my teachers that doing something against these 3 natural rights is the worst. My faith says that do not kill. Be merciful.
Also there is not just one man has been sentenced, do the others not matter to you?
 
Old 12-29-2006, 05:57 PM   #8
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I don't believe that Humans should kill other humans. Regardless of Religion or 'Rights.'

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Old 12-29-2006, 06:07 PM   #9
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I'm confused then, can you please explain this quote


Also there is not just one man has been sentenced, do the others not matter to you?
Sure... It might be confusing, I admit. I am an exchange student now in the USA and I will stay there as a guest for a while. I normally live in Hungary but now I stay in the USA and I am studying your government so that I can see what is going on. :P
 
Old 12-29-2006, 08:21 PM   #10
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Although he's shown no mercy to anyone who has been killed under his command, I've gotta say, grant him mercy and snuff him out as quickly and painlessly as possible.
 
Old 12-29-2006, 08:24 PM   #11
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Nothing good can come from a thread like this.
 
Old 12-29-2006, 08:55 PM   #12
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Nothing good can come from a thread like this.
Perhaps some people will reconsider the "validity" of the death penalty. That would be, IMHO, a "good" thing.

There are several organizations in the US opposing the use of the death penalty. (For example, the Catholic Church.)
 
Old 12-29-2006, 09:27 PM   #13
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Perhaps some people will reconsider the "validity" of the death penalty. That would be, IMHO, a "good" thing.

There are several organizations in the US opposing the use of the death penalty. (For example, the Catholic Church.)
Validity? What is valid is a matter of opinion, but I guess anyone that has an opinion other that of someone else shouldnt,......
All states dont have the death penalty, Each state has a right to disallow it if they choose to do so.
 
Old 12-29-2006, 10:27 PM   #14
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I live in a state (in the US) that doesn't have the death penalty. Politically, I am opposed to it with two exceptions; terrorists and gangsters. Terrorist groups will take hostages and demand the release from prison of their comrads. This happened more frequently in the 70's. A gangster can have people killed while in prison. Until he was released by the NY Governer, Lucky Luciano, controlling the International Longshoreman's Union, was able to sink more liberty ships in US harbours, than the Nazis. He held the survival of Great Britain hostage by denying them supplies from the US.

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Old 12-29-2006, 10:45 PM   #15
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Well, whatever anyones thoughts on this matter, he is no longer with us. He can now be known as "Our Dearly Departed"
 
  


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