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Old 07-04-2016, 07:14 PM   #16
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Why would you want a driverless car in the first place? Driving is one of lifes great pleasures.

As a P.S. I don't beleive A.I. is up to the task yet anyway, forcing this technology on to the public before it is ready borders on recklessness.
You are right.

I used to think this song was silly, but no more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

What is a P.S. ?

Physical scientist maybe ....

Hope everyone has/had a great fourth of July or the U.S. or a great time for everyone else. :-)
 
Old 07-04-2016, 07:44 PM   #17
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What is a P.S. ?

Physical scientist maybe ....
...
P.S.=Post Script, ie "And another thing ..."
 
Old 07-04-2016, 09:57 PM   #18
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Self-driving cars have already logged a million and a half driverless miles on the roads here in California, and the state already has legislated rules for self-driving vehicles.

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Why would you want a driverless car in the first place? Driving is one of lifes great pleasures.
Enjoying the scenery that you're driving through is also a pleasure, and you certainly can see more as a passenger. Oh, LA Freeway driving usually doesn't qualify as "one of life's great pleasures"

Anyway, consumer self-driving cars are in the works. Mercedes exhibited a self-driving car at CES recently. Forecasts are for 10-20 million on the road in the next decade.
 
Old 07-04-2016, 11:40 PM   #19
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I also love driving. Don't have a car now but always go stick shift... but, I (now) respect more than most.

You can pay to race legally or you (currently) can do it illegally! I say stop the insanity, logic save lives!

Let's "vote" on it?

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Old 07-05-2016, 01:24 AM   #20
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I am sure that self driving cars still have to be insured.

So, the insurance company would be responsible.
OK, whose insurance company? I can see the car owner's insurance refusing to pay up on the grounds that it wasn't the car that had failed but the onboard computer or the software it was running. Those things might well be excluded by the policy conditions.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 09:14 AM   #21
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I smell another monopoly winner here?
 
Old 07-05-2016, 12:09 PM   #22
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There is already a documented case of a driver being killed when his self-driving car slammed into a white truck.

The driver of the truck was not seriously injured, because it was, well, a truck.

It would have been an entirely different matter if it had slammed into a small car, or a child. . . .

In any case, "the legal rights of everyone else on the road" include "being protected from this mad, Tom Swift idea." Likewise robot package-delivery drones, et al. Someday, someone's gonna get killed, just for having stood in the wrong place at the wrong time. And their families are going to have "a prodigious legal case," and they are going to win it.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 12:44 PM   #23
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Anything's got bugs to work out but over time change is going to happen. (Like maybe not needing billions of frivolous gas guzzlers in the first place and what ever happened to staggering shifts, damn rush hours!? )

Imagine a closed system. Where all the vehicles are: required, communicate and confined (e.g: freeways,) the chance of accidents would drop so staggeringly?!

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Old 07-05-2016, 02:49 PM   #24
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Imagine a closed system. Where all the vehicles are: required, communicate and confined (e.g: freeways,) the chance of accidents would drop so staggeringly?!
Uh huh ... but only if the software worked, flawlessly, 100% of the time.

Trouble is, you're now putting thousands of human lives at risk ... at risk of death ... whether or not(!) they are driving or riding in one of those cars. You're exposing people who merely "happen to be driving at the wrong place at the wrong time" at risk of being killed by a software implement that does not possess human judgment.

This, to me, should be made illegal. National-level laws should be passed throughout the country mandating that all vehicles present on public roadways must be controlled exclusively(!) by human operators, who are legally responsible for their actions.

(To ensure that the legislation actually gets passed, the public should "Crowd-Fund" an initiative to openly bribe the public officials in question, in an amount greater than Google (etc.) is capable of or willing to pay to them to do otherwise. "Yes, public law-making has de-evolved into a simple auction, wherein only Money talks." Therefore, let the public purchase common sense, so that billions of dollars of "Google Money" cannot inflict life-threatening dangers upon the unsuspecting general public. It will take billions of dollars to counter the billions that are already being spent to buy influence.)

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Old 07-05-2016, 03:38 PM   #25
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On the *ware sides I don't see:
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thousands of human lives
but way less than now (especially by those who cheat the DMV or costs &c,) the "cars" would not need to be .www but short range with the immediate surrounding cars. "We" build and run dangerous machines every day but automated (by humans, ) fails way less, plain and simple. IMHO beyond that some seem to be just superstitious or perhaps paranoid fearing change like we all need to get to the nick nack factories ("they took our jobs?" ) (Or, becoming fat like on Walle? )

Transparencies are always awesome tools for us (unless with some basic human privacies,) too bad we can't legally get it from many ę: "corporations.gov,,," Mono(Irony)poly!

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Old 07-05-2016, 07:50 PM   #26
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Basically, I assert that it is m-y prerogative to demand that my life not be forfeit to a programming error in a machine that is hurtling past me at 70 miles per hour.

And, I would include(!) in that assertion a great amount of the software that today is already embedded in vehicles ... software, the powers of which the vehicle owners (and lawmakers) "know not of."

We have wholesale-swallowed the mechanical-Utopian notion that "anything that we are technically capable of inventing and deploying, should be." Not so. Not so.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 08:00 PM   #27
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We have wholesale-swallowed the mechanical-Utopian notion that "anything that we are technically capable of inventing and deploying, should be." Not so. Not so.
Yes...."Just because you can, doesn't mean you (necessarily) should"
 
Old 07-05-2016, 08:18 PM   #28
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This from a ferrari... LL

If we were going to the moon, would you like some math involved?

Let's ask everyone who's lost to car accident?

Or, go back to the horse?
 
Old 07-05-2016, 08:21 PM   #29
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1's and 0's don't fall asleep like your mechanics must?
 
Old 07-05-2016, 09:30 PM   #30
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I am highly sceptical that driverless (or robo-driven) cars and human driven cars can coexist in the same roadways. (I can see driverless cars in a segregated environment. Heck, the Washington, D. C., Metro is for practical purposes driverless trains--there are train drivers, but they are there to make sure the computers do their jobs.)

Humans will always come up with ways to drive stupidly that even the latest algorithm will not anticipate.

In the case of the poor guy in the Tesla, he disregarded Tesla's own advice and took his eyes off the road, then encountered a situation that the algorithm did not anticipate--a white truck-trailer directly cross-wise against a background against which the trailer did not stand out.

If you live by the algorithm, you may die by the algorithm.
 
  


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