Science and technology scare the ever-loving crap outta me these days...
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Would it be conceivable that the responses of a human being would be perfectly predictable, for any imaginable set of inputs?
No, I certainly would not be predictable, but maybe most of the population would be to a certain statistical extent, but that's because they're part of the blob.
Don't be ridiculous. If I swing a club at your head, and you see it coming, you'll duck or flinch or throw up an arm to obstruct it. For very many situations, you, oh member of "the blob", are perfectly predictable.
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Where does the sense of self come from ?
It's an illusion caused by the fact that you are an isolated network of neurons that knows only itself.
solipsist.
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Quantum Physics ? It's bunch of BS. Go for Newtonian Physics, it makes sense. A lot of people say that quantum physics makes sense to them ... I say you haven't thought about it enough or you're saying this because Emperor really is naked but only a fool would admit it.
Again...solipsist...
Newtonian physics is wrong, and easily shown to be so. More properly, Newtonian physics is a special case that appears right within a certain range of mass and velocity.
Ah, the dimensions BS, well have to comment on it:
Three "dimensions" are the minimum number of dimensions needed to define any object. You can define as many dimensions as you want, but it seems these quantum physics guys like to let ideas run away with their brains.
I hope they find that God particle already, and then we can start finally end the separation of science and religion.
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Don't be ridiculous. If I swing a club at your head, and you see it coming, you'll duck or flinch or throw up an arm to obstruct it. For very many situations, you, oh member of "the blob", are perfectly predictable.
solipsist.
Again...solipsist...
Newtonian physics is wrong, and easily shown to be so. More properly, Newtonian physics is a special case that appears right within a certain range of mass and velocity.
What if I'm superman ?
Newtonian physics as a theory is correct. The equations are approximations.
Actually I'm not solipsist. The mind only mirrors the universe that it interacts with, and can change it within itself. The universe exists, the mind exists.
...and, if this is true, then we truly are all connected.
... snipp ...
If we are indeed part of something much larger then that suggests that there MAY be a purpose...
When I spoke about God, I was not refering to the "Traditional" Idea of God...
I am atheist also, in the extent that I am Pantheist... for me God is "The Framework", "The Matrix"...
and this "Matrix" or "Framework" has some "inner works" which ar not directly accessible to our perception...
from whatever we grasp from our observation of what surrounds us, we assemble similar invariant features in Laws, asbtract Laws, like those of Math, or more concrete laws, like those of Physics.
So, Math and Physics are not really "our" creation... the form by which we comunicate them with our similars is captive to our own forms of expression, Math Language for instance... and that code is ours, but the reality it pertains about is not since it was here way before the ocurrence of life on Earth..., but some other alien Intelligence, with the ability to infer from obserevation may reach similat findings which would be "Invariant" under a "code of expression" transformation ( because they would be about the same reality )
Newtonian physics as a theory is correct. The equations are approximations.
Actually I'm not solipsist. The mind only mirrors the universe that it interacts with, and can change it within itself. The universe exists, the mind exists.
You continually present assertions which have long since been shown to be false, along with the repeated observation (expressed in several different forms) that "this is what I believe and only what I believe matters".
You also continually shift the ground and the basis for discussion when you are presented with something that shows you wrong which you cannot challenge (aka: pettifogging). Thus, you say that "quantum mechanics is wrong" and when challenged about your using a quantum mechanical device to make that assertion, you respond that "quantum mechanics isn't complete" or "quantum mechanics isn't fundamental" or "quantum mechanics has problems" - not one of which supports "quantum mechanics is wrong".
Several possibilities suggest themselves, and the kindest interpretation is that you are a solipsist. Alternatives include an intensely rigid personality that cannot learn, or a person of low IQ. I offer no opinion on the second possibility and the latter possibility is not consistent with how you write.
In no case does any of this suggest that discussing with you is worthwhile.
I did not really understood ( or maybe i did... ) that statement... :
I was expressing an opinion on a matter being discussed in this thread, so until further notice, I exist as much as everyone in this thread exists... Dinithion or you for instance...
I was not the only one debating with an alledgedly "solipsist" ... IMHO.
Mr. Code, you should investigate the subject of quantum neurophysiology. It is an emerging science/technology which applies quantum mechanics to the workings of the brain.
I had always been wondering if there was a serious scientific field like this. I've sort of rationalized with myself that our "free will" comes from the inherent quantum noise that is present in all particles of the universe, whether they're part of a living being or not, thus giving multiple possible outcomes for every(!) quantum event that occurs in your brain. Thanks for giving me some hope that there's real substance to that idea.
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If there is anything to this idea of a life field, then an afterlife follows virtually automatically - though there is no reason to believe that our egos would survive as discrete entities - and it could well be that we've found god, and god is us. Or, rather, we are part of god along with every other living organism in the universe - and, if this is true, then we truly are all connected.
I think this is really starting to touch on how I view the world: I do see us as *being* "god" or whatever you want to call it ("god" is overused and overly associated with religion IMO), and that we're all somehow interconnected, be it though something metaphysical, or some physical law of nature, or whatever...
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And free will? In any case, our free will is constrained; just because we can conceive of it doesn't mean we can do it (ask King Canute about that). But if we are indeed part of something much larger then that suggests that there MAY be a purpose. What that purpose would be is currently (and perhaps forever) beyond our comprehension and knowledge. But, at a minimum, it would seem that our own illusions of free will are very good; within the constraints we certainly do seem to be free. So, if there is a purpose, then it is not a stretch to assume that free will is necessary (or desirable) for the purpose. So it could well be that our illusion of free will is no illusion at all.
I take it what you're suggesting here is that we do have (true) freedom, but only within the boundaries of our universe...I suppose that kind of works for me...maybe. :-S
Anyways, I didn't know I was going to spark such debate over this. Although I guess I shouldn't be surprised; it's a deep topic for most people! Myself especially.
Some interesting viewpoints from all of you (even if some of your statements make me shudder a little).
LOL, there are a few xkcd's about life and existentialism. There's actually a recurring character IIRC who is having existential angst(?), although not the same kind I'm having.
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