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Old 10-15-2020, 05:42 PM   #166
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Its basically the pot calling the kettle black, both sides are so (rightfully) offended by the opposition that they put their blinders on and vote for the "lesser" evil oblivious they are both terrible.

Who are you voting for, the sociopath or the narcissist?
I don't know if you're being ironic here?

Anyhow, I'll fix it for you:

Who are you voting for, the sociopath or the psychopath?
 
Old 10-15-2020, 10:48 PM   #167
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I don't know if you're being ironic here?

Anyhow, I'll fix it for you:

Who are you voting for, the sociopath or the psychopath?
Its a difference in kind.

Trump is a self-centered, selfish and arrogant blowhard with delusions of grandeur which says a lot without necessarily following through on everything, but he is doing what he believes is right. In practice this usually doesn't work out because his perspective is so distorted and he is borderline retarded at times.

Biden probably doesn't believe in much beyond fulfilling the narrative laid out by various financial interests. Most of his efforts seem towards political manipulation and appealing to the lowest common denominator.

As I've already said, we lose either way. You don't become a presidential candidate of a major party without being filthy rich or being willing to sell your soul.
 
Old 10-16-2020, 04:07 AM   #168
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You don't become a presidential candidate of a major party without being filthy rich or being willing to sell your soul.
I remember that, during the previous campaign, Trump's main selling point was that he couldn't be bought because he was a millionnaire already.

What does that say about America?
 
Old 10-16-2020, 08:59 AM   #169
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Someone once said:
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A candidate is someone who gets money from the rich, and votes from the poor, to protect them from each other.
From a safe distance where we are not likely to be nuked, it makes a good spectator sport. It makes up for the Sports we've been missing.

Biden always struck me as a nice guy, as in: "Nice Guys finish last!" Mind you, on money, it appears Biden can outspend Trump this time. I read his campaign is planning heavy attack ads in the last two weeks. They probably expect value for money. What does that mean?

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Old 10-16-2020, 09:35 AM   #170
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In the UK, there are legal limits on candidate expenses in general elections, to prevent the richer side from effectively buying the election. I can't understand why the US doesn't impose similar rules.
 
Old 10-16-2020, 11:12 AM   #171
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In the UK, there are legal limits on candidate expenses in general elections, to prevent the richer side from effectively buying the election. I can't understand why the US doesn't impose similar rules.
Because too many Americans are asleep at the wheel, too busy faking the life they wish they had on FB.

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Old 10-16-2020, 12:22 PM   #172
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In the UK, there are legal limits on candidate expenses in general elections, to prevent the richer side from effectively buying the election. I can't understand why the US doesn't impose similar rules.
Perhaps because the legal limits don't stop rich people rigging an election, only that they risk spending an extra £61k on top of whatever they spent - a "record fine" which is not even a quarter of chicken feed...

 
Old 10-16-2020, 01:11 PM   #173
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In the UK, there are legal limits on candidate expenses in general elections, to prevent the richer side from effectively buying the election. I can't understand why the US doesn't impose similar rules.
In Ireland too IIRC. I think my Quote answers. No politician wants it. Every Congress(wo)man, every Senator, every President, every Everyone got elected by money from vested interests like big food & drug companies. Nobody wants to risk the changing of election rules, because rule #1 of politics is: "You must get elected before you can do anything." Big business would stall any reform, and whoever was for reform would be kicked out at the next election.

So Politics is sold up the river, and Big business can and does run riot, it seems. Mind you, Ireland and England have their problems too.
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It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
Personally, I don't regard humans as capable of ruling each other. Look at history. Look at the statements of wise men
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All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm. (Eccl. 8:9)
 
Old 10-16-2020, 08:08 PM   #174
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From a safe distance where we are not likely to be nuked, it makes a good spectator sport.
I'm at a safe distance too... but for me it's more like watching a train wreck. I can't look away, but it is painful to watch. It feels like we're watching an Empire crumble.

John Lennon once said “If I'd lived in Roman times, I'd have lived in Rome. Where else? Today America is the Roman Empire and New York is Rome itself.”

Yeah. Well... Rome is burning.
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Yes, but anarchy is not the answer. Constitutional democracy appears to be the best solution.
 
Old 10-17-2020, 09:10 AM   #175
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It concerns us all, the whole planet.

Thankfully, the US of NA's influence is waning, globally.
But it's still large, and there's still enough potential to cause a hell of a - how do you call the thing an elephant causes in a china shop? Chaos and destruction, I guess.
Juggling powder kegs.
And worse nationally - what horrible things could happen inside the US of NA if DT managed to make true only half of what he claims...
 
Old 10-17-2020, 10:42 AM   #176
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Here we go again. Look... EVERY country that has ANY power tries to influence their neighbors, just like ALL neighbors do at every level if they intersect in any meaningful way. The US gets singled out, and not without good reason, because the US is STILL one of the Top 5 Economic and Military powers on Planet Earth. So the US does indeed throw it's "weight" around as would ANY country in that position, comensurrate with it's strength. That "weight" is both good and bad depending on ones position and point of view as well as policy(s).

There is considerable my country, the USA, does that embarrasses or even shames me, but the simple fact is that it's a "with me or agin' me" situation. If your country's government is friendly to the USA, and sadly that is sometimes with truly bad and oppressive governments (YOUR responsibility) that country will get billions in support, and something as a true Capitalist I'm not fond of, government approved and negotiated preferential trade agreements. The Net Balance, to outsiders, depends entirely on position and viewpoint.

"Rome" is NOT burning. We have issues to work out just like every country has and since we were the first and still the most racially and culturally mixed nation in the world, ours may seem more polarized and difficult. Bottom Line though that internal conflict is as much strength as it is weakness and somehow in the long run the US always prospers and provides a mostly pleasant existence for it's citizens.

I'd say the typical "Man up and stop whining" but the truth is I have no problem with outsiders "taking shots" (as long as they are just verbal shots) at the US. WE do it TOO! and you have a right to your opinion and it may even be completely accurate if you're "on the outside, looking in". However that doesn't imply it is anything more than a subjective evaluation and if you think the USA is going to collapse anytime soon, you probably should check your evaluation of the Historical Arc.
 
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the truth is I have no problem with outsiders "taking shots"
FWIW I wasn't "taking a shot." My post comes from genuine concern.
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if you think the USA is going to collapse anytime soon, you probably should check your evaluation of the Historical Arc.
Why do you think I posted what I posted?

If you were to calculate a monthly average of the deaths of North Americans from each of:

the Civil War (including both Union and Confederate soldiers),
World War 1,
World War 2,
Korea,
Vietnam,
the Gulf War,
Iraq and
Afghanistan

and add them all together, you still wouldn't be at the average monthly rate of North Americans dying from Covid-19.

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Old 10-18-2020, 06:27 AM   #178
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^ Yep, worrying figures coming from the US of NA, once again.
If that isn't reason enough to condemn DT's lack of policy, which some people seem to be mistaking for some sort of strategy, there's plenty more where that came from. Let's start with "Rocket Boy".

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FWIW I wasn't "taking a shot." My post comes from genuine concern.
Yep. Some of the posters here just don't seem to understand that having an opinion in these matters does not mean I am joining in the boxing match of traditional US American political discussion.
 
Old 10-18-2020, 08:11 AM   #179
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If you were to calculate a monthly average of the deaths of North Americans from each of ...SNIP... and add them all together, you still wouldn't be at the average monthly rate of North Americans dying from Covid-19.
That's an impressive statement, but I don't think it's currently true. (It may have been true in the Spring and/or perhaps whoever calculated it used incorrect dates for WWI/WWII.)

By my counting (data attached), the average US deaths from those wars was ~993/day (~30741/month).

Even taking the pandemic as starting as late as the first US death on 6th Feb, the COVID-19 averages are ~855/day (~27,411/month)

There have certainly been periods when the daily US death count was over a thousand (most of April and May) - but not the average.

None of this is intended to defend any US policy (or lack thereof), simply to advise that you may want to re-word and/or pick a different example of how many people are dying.
(Perhaps pointing out that twice as many people are dying in the US every day as compared to the American Civil War is enough to make the point.) - retracted

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Old 10-18-2020, 08:47 AM   #180
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Actually I don't think a comparison with the Civil War makes much sense because the American population was much lower then, especially in the South. What makes any given death rate traumatic for most people is knowing at least one person who died from that cause. If most people don't know anyone who died of covid, the figures will just wash over their heads.
 
  


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