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Originally Posted by enorbet
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I can only speak for myself but your assessment of my position is, I think, incorrect. I suffer no illusions that things are so simple that "The US == Good Guys" and "The Russians == Bad Guys" and that was exactly my point!.
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Well, reading your posts (and not just in this thread either), you seem to paint a very different image, as you seem to have a very nationalistic view when it comes to US domestic matters. In that, the US government is only acting in the best interests of it's people, failing to recognize that the US government's own interests and that of it's people can be two very different things.
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It is not valid, reasonable or at all wise to use such an incredibly broad brush to paint every individual among hundreds of millions as any one thing. People are just more diverse than that.
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Which is just hyperbole. Where exactly did I say "every individual among hundreds of millions are all the same"?? You don't think the average Australian is at least somewhat naive when it comes to intelligence and security related matters? Well think again if that's what you think. The reality is that it would also be true that most people in virtually any other country would be naive to at least some extent. You only need to look at the division in your country to see how naive a lot of people are when it comes to intelligence and security related matters.
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In any case I am of the opinion that any infringement or limitation on Free Speech should be considered with the utmost concern as it is extremely dangerous and usually counterproductive to allow slippery precedents in the area of ideas. I am also alarmed that what almost everyone considers The Internet is in fact a "Walled Garden" on a scale AOL only imagined in a fever dream. However I am also of the opinion that much of this is because Computers are so new, and STILL extremely underestimated as to their impact on ALL humankind no matter what national borders you reside within.
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I think you'll find that it's the focus of security and intelligence related laws that are a big part of the problem. I can use my own country as a good example in this point; after September 11, security and intelligence related laws were tightened as a part of our joining your country's "war on terror", but the focus was on giving police and security agencies all the power in the world to hunt down "terrorists" and prevent "terrorist attacks". While very little focus was put on to protecting the rights of the public to be informed, freedom of the press, and particularly protections for legitimate "whistleblowers". Therefore there's plenty of room for the government to claim that "national security" could be harmed/threatened, indeed journalists from the publicly funded ABC have been
raided by the feds here. That was a day after they raided
another journalist's own home, who was covering a story about the government's push for greater surveillance powers.
Here's an excerpt from the first link above:
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Originally Posted by ABC news article
Currently, the ASD monitors and eavesdrops on conversations overseas but Australian law prevents it from monitoring the conversations of Australians in Australia.
The ASD and some in the Government want to change that — the Smethurst story was a good political story, but certainly no threat to national security.
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TLDR - I don't think Russians (or any other large group of people) are evil, backwards, or stupid. I don't think the US is a Camelot full of people superior in morals, intellect, or character and I'm confidant there are those in US Govt. that daily work at exactly the sort of hacks recently exposed as originating with some Russians. It's literally business as usual.
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Yeah, it's business as usual alright... for the Russians most certainly...
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Originally Posted by teckk
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For the record.
I don't dislike any of the posters on this board, even the ones who are wrong.
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While I don't remember mentioning your name anywhere in the post you refer to; that was the point I was making: a truth is still a truth, regardless of who exactly mentions it, and for that matter, regardless of whether you like it or not.
Seems I struck a nerve there...