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Old 02-20-2019, 08:57 PM   #31
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Putin warns: U.S. will fall under Russia’s cross-hairs if it deploys new missiles in Europe

Russian President Vladimir Putin warned the Trump administration Wednesday against basing intermediate-range missiles in Europe, saying that Moscow would respond by deploying new weapons of its own that could directly target Washington.

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"This is a very serious danger to us," Putin said, according to the Tass news agency. "In this case, we will be forced, and I want to stress this, we will be forced to envisage tit-for-tat and asymmetric measures."

He added that Russia would target not just the launch site of any Europe-based missiles, but the command center from which they are launched — presumably referring to the United States itself.

"They can count, can’t they?" the Kremlin leader said of U.S. political leaders. “Then let them count the speed and the range of the weapons systems we are developing."

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Putin first claimed last March that Russia was developing an array of new advanced weapons, including a hypersonic missile that can be launched from ships or submarines and travel at almost 2 miles per second.
It goes on to describe the US deployment including:

"The administration last year announced plans to develop a low-yield warhead for the Trident D-5 submarine-launched ballistic missile and a nuclear-armed, sea-launched cruise missile, calling those options “important for the preservation of credible deterrence against regional aggression."

It also covers Russian domestic issues such as poverty, the pension reform plan, the closure of rural medical clinics and a lack of social services.



"God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural... fluids. God bless you all." - Base Commander Jack D. Ripper
 
Old 02-21-2019, 03:25 AM   #32
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It turns out building your entire society around the idea of growing exponentially forever and ever doesn't work out in the long run, who'd've thought?
haha, i've been thinking exactly this so many times.
otherwise intelligent people of all callings (goverment, science, economy...) seem to be completely blind on that spot.

but i'm not preaching collapse and pessimism; i still hope that little by little these things will sort themselves out.
the people running countries & economies have all been kids, many of them when i was an adult already.
so let's give them better education - not only schooling but actual ethics. we are social beings.
 
Old 02-21-2019, 09:04 AM   #33
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cynwulf, there has been a global economy for almost 2 millennia. So I repeat, the global economy is nothing new.
You can repeat it as many times as you like.

A global economy exists in the global sense, in a world where at least half the world had not discovered the other half, you are only retroactively applying a modern term to historical trade routes.

It's like digging up an abacus and claiming that there was a WWW 2 millenia ago.
 
Old 02-21-2019, 07:28 PM   #34
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This is not true. There has never been, before the fall of the Soviet Union, an integrated global economic system. Even the collapse of something as huge as the Roman Empire scarcely affected other regions of the world. Life in western Europe hardly changed even as Mongol domination swept across nearly all of Asia. And of course the societies Americas had only occasional and very brief contact with the rest of the world until the conquistadores invaded starting with Columbus.

E: Really wish I could merge this with the post above it and delete it.
Seriously, several times China experienced economic downturns (from Emperors overspending) and it caused/contributed to economic downturns in Rome and Egypt. It is true, however, that given the dominance of China for most of world history the downturns in Roman and Egyptian economies had little effect on China. To think that a tightly integrated world is a new invention is to negate historical facts. Now if you are speaking of countries without borders....then that is a fairly new creation.
 
Old 02-21-2019, 07:29 PM   #35
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You can repeat it as many times as you like.

A global economy exists in the global sense, in a world where at least half the world had not discovered the other half, you are only retroactively applying a modern term to historical trade routes.

It's like digging up an abacus and claiming that there was a WWW 2 millenia ago.
No the corollary would be that the Silk Road/Routes, were an ancient equivalent of the WWW. The abacus would be equivalent to a counting machine/calculator, and yes, in the proper hands it is still superior for many calculations.
 
Old 02-22-2019, 03:05 AM   #36
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I think we're picking over details here and going off on a tangent, based on us both having different understandings of what a "global economy" is. For example, 2000 years ago you could not have a "credit crunch" as we had back in 2008 - i.e. a very fast global economic downturn, mainly due to banking.

For me at least a "global economy" has global impacts which are felt instantly... perhaps that's where my perception differs from others.
 
Old 02-22-2019, 06:10 AM   #37
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I don't know about you guys but here's how I view Global Economy. In the last two years I have made more than a dozen purchases from companies in the UK, Russia, and China and that's not including US companies that sell products from those and other nations. Surely the trend goes back a long way. One of the only good things Richard Nixon did during his his time as Chief Executive was open trade with China, but it has been the Internet and online banking that has "shrunk the Earth" to present standards. Roman roads still exist and are used today either as is or as foundations. They are the reason that the width of automobiles are what they are. Countries that had lots of Roman roads and who maintained them well all prospered. While it is not exactly a direct analogy in the area of resilience, I think the analogy works. Nations and people who don't use the internet wither on the vine compared to those who do. It is highly unlikely any nation will abanon it entirely. They will just attempt to wall it off which is almost impossible to maintain. One only has to look at the external servers set up that changed the course of Egypt when they attempted to wall it off. Those that did are now gone.
 
Old 02-22-2019, 06:46 AM   #38
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One only has to look at the external servers set up that changed the course of Egypt when they attempted to wall it off. Those that did are now gone.
Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall the military dictatorship in Egytp reinstated itself; just the guy at the top was replaced.
 
  


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