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Old 04-12-2019, 05:46 PM   #31
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In a recent mass murder THEY MADE PUBLIC his crazy reasons.

Good first step is if that happens again.

The national authorities or the world authorities like the UN should step in and silence that.

Remove from the internet and forbid the media from revealing what was in it.

For the public good and safety.

Might not deter all killers might maybe some.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 06:05 PM   #32
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So, about that first amendment then ... ?
That one more flexible than the 2nd?
 
Old 04-12-2019, 07:08 PM   #33
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Well, without the right to bear arms, you cannot have free speech, or without the 2nd Amendment, the 1st amendment is meaningless.
freedom of speech is not given by the hand of man, but is a God given right. It stems from freewill. The right to bear arms is a man given right, If used to kill another man it is breaking one of Gods commandments. Thou shall not kill. so...... it is in contradiction then.

speech and killing another are two completely different thing. you cannot literally kill someone with words, and you do not need a gun to speak ones mind. Thus your belief in what you are trying to get my to believe fails, and I do not accept it.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 07:37 PM   #34
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I generally try to avoid political threads here at LQ, but this one has worn down my resistance.

As this is a peculiarly American argument, it might be worth while to remind ourselves of the origins of the Second Amendment to the U. S. Constitution. It is rooted in America's original sin.

Because I know how to use a gun (I once picked a crow out of a tree at 150 yards with a bolt-action Mossberg .22) and I pay attention to the news, I know that a gun in a house poses much more danger to the family in the house than to any intruders. Every day, I see stories of children shooting children with loose guns they have found, under a bed, in a closet, in the back seat of a car, the list goes on. And spouses shooting spouses. And the list goes on and on.

Mark this well. I'm not against guns per se.

But I am against stupid and irresponsible.

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Old 04-12-2019, 08:02 PM   #35
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What?
That makes no sense.

Well ... unless you mean to kill people that don't listen to you ... oh wait ... US foreign policy ...
It makes perfect sense. Without the right to protect your rights from a tyrannical government then you do not have any rights. This is the foundational piece of Americas founding. The individuals rights are enshrined in the constitution protecting them from the government, then the 2nd amendment is to ensure the individuals do not lose the other rights. It is important to note that when Americas framers/founders created the US Constitution they were doing so in order to protect the new nation from the wrongs of the European states. They very much looked at Europe as an example of how not to govern, if we want freedom from tyranny.

Read the works and writings of the founders it is very enlightening, also read their letters to each other.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 08:10 PM   #36
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It makes perfect sense. Without the right to protect your rights from a tyrannical government then you do not have any rights.
A functional democracy is the modern alternative to murdering your political opponents.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 08:15 PM   #37
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A functional democracy does not exist or has not been taken over yet due to America's strength, which is through war. Again, the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting or home defense- although home defense could be defined easily against all comers. 2nd amendment is so the Citizenry cannot be overwhelmed by the Govt. It is a Checks and Balances system. Without the 2nd and without America the world would probably descend into all out war.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 08:25 PM   #38
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2nd amendment is so the Citizenry cannot be overwhelmed by the Govt.
So, like Waco?
That worked out well no?
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Without the 2nd and without America the world would probably descend into all out war.
Wow.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 08:26 PM   #39
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What does Waco have to do with the 2nd ?
 
Old 04-12-2019, 08:42 PM   #40
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You said it's about citizens resisting a tyrannical government - that looks like a prime example to me.
The definition of "tyrannical" in that case is likely different to yours, but AFAICS, the principle is the same as you are quoting.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 08:57 PM   #41
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Have you never read about the 2nd??
It's not what i said- it's what the Founders said...obviously.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 09:05 PM   #42
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2nd amendment is so the Citizenry cannot be overwhelmed by the Govt.
Waco citizens were armed, and defending their (own particular) "rights", and were fairly clearly "overwhelmed by the Govt".
 
Old 04-13-2019, 01:17 AM   #43
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I have now added to the reputations of everyone who speaks out against this troll, and will continue to do so.
 
Old 04-13-2019, 02:16 AM   #44
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I have now added to the reputations of everyone who speaks out against this troll, and will continue to do so.
Sorry...which troll? There seem to be a couple here...
 
Old 04-13-2019, 02:22 AM   #45
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Sorry...which troll? There seem to be a couple here...
the op.

for the others, i reserve my right to NOT add to their reputation.
 
  


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