That's not a minor point, because it shows that the drug that causes horrible birth defects if used by pregnant women, was indeed meant to be used specifically by pregnant women.

There's a reason drugs have to go through rigorous testing that takes years. We know what can and probably will happen if the rules are not strictly adhered to.

We've completely thrown caution to the wind when it comes to the mRNA vaccines. So far it looks like we got lucky with the ones developed for SARS-CoV-2.

Masks work not by preventing but by reducing the amount of spread of your germs. Although COVID is small the aerosols it attaches to are much bigger so its more of a screen versus chicken wire. In a normal situation of a group of people even as large as 6 ft of separation or more you are constantly breathing each other germs. If you are standing in front of a person they are breathing in all of your germs and vice versa. People beside you not as much. In a closed room without ventilation it will quickly get warmer from everyone re-breathing the same air which contains everyone's germs.

With normal breathing and wearing masks the amount of breath and distance that spreads outward is reduced (depending on the type of mask of course) in half or more. This is why both "social distancing" and mask wearing is recommended to reduce not prevent the spread of COVID 19. Wearing masks in small indoor areas without adequate ventilation with or without social distancing probably provides little protection. As an example two hair stylists in the US contracted COVID-19. While their immediate families also contracted COVID their customers did not because both them and their customers were wearing masks. The probability was the hair stylists contracted the disease from their families and not the work environment.

Masks are pointless. Your actual chances of even encountering COVID are extremely tiny because you must be in close proximity to a sick person. The widely-touted notion of "asymptomatic carriers" is false. No one has ever caught a cold (another corona/rhino virus) from someone who didn't have one. Your body rids itself of many things by exhaling them, and with a mask on you instead re-breathe them.

(By the way, you're now being told that "the unvaccinated carry COVID" because the tests are run through more than twice as many cycles – hence, false positives – for the unvaxed versus the vaxed. There is no explanation why, other than the obvious.)

On the very first sign of "what might be symptoms," whether it's COVID or just a cold or flu, immediately start prophylactic treatments. Suck on Zinc lozenges, and take quercetin or drink green tea or learn to love fresh spinach. These are "ionophores" which will help the zinc get to where it needs to go, and it is known how zinc disrupts the viral replication process. You can stop a cold dead in its tracks in this way.

All the other things that mamma told you also apply: wash your hands with soap and water (not sanitizers), drink plenty of fluids, and while you are sick, stay home. Don't go out in public. If you're a hairstylist, stay home from work until you get well. And, the odds are overwhelmingly high that you will "get well." To anyone with a normally functioning immune system, COVID is simply not that dangerous.

On what do you base that assertion?

If you read the Telegraph article I posted a link to in an earlier post, you'd learn that the holes in a surgical mask, holes to small to really see with the naked eye, are up to 5,000 times larger than the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Surely, a screen with holes 5,000 times larger than a mosquito wouldn't be very effective in stopping mosquitos?

If the virus commonly attached itself to particles larger than itself by several orders of magnitude, why are we still seeing aerosol infections at all? Why isn't gravity pulling the particles down, like it does with all other particles of that size?

To test your theory on mask efficacy, I suggest you perform a simple experiment involving water vapor. While these tiny droplets are still considerably larger than the SARS-CoV-2 virus, this experiment still works:

Put on a mask and enter a room were the air temperature is significantly below freezing, such as a walk-in freezer in a restaurant. Film yourself with your phone as you take a few deep breaths. You'll find that even though the mask is pretty good at absorbing humidity, you'll still be standing in a cloud of vapor. Note where the vapor is coming from (hint: it's not the front of the mask).

(If you're a smoker, you can perform the same experiment with cigarette smoke. And please also consider quitting. Sorry, I just had to put that last bit in there.)

After you've observed the results of this experiment, do some fact checking with regards to the size of the SARS-CoV-2 virus vs. the size of water vapor aerosols. Then consider whether or not it is reasonable to believe that surgical masks can in any way prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2.

Whenever I encounter someone with "flat earth" beliefs, I first have them explain precisely what their views are. Given that information, I then suggest some simple experiments that they can perform themselves, often without even leaving their homes, that would either support or refute their assertions, depending on the outcome of the experiment.

In some cases (most, in my experience), they show a complete lack of interest in performing even the simplest experiment. In those cases I'm forced to conclude that their world view is actually an ideology that they want to hang on to, and that providing facts is not by itself sufficient to persuade them to reconsider.

False, COVID aside you can be contagious with a cold or flu without showing symptoms.

If I am standing 6 ft away from you and as long as the cloud is over your head I don't care.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7

Just make sure you don't move. Because someone may have stood at the place you're moving to.

Here is one study proving that SARS-CoV-2 aerosols remain suspended in the air for a long time, and that even 3 hours after the infected person had left the room, the concentration of viral particals in the air was still sufficiently high that it caused infections in cell cultures.And this is old knowledge; the results were publicised back in April 2020.
Very interesting that Nature would publish pieces with weasel words like "studies say" without providing any further information or even links to said studies.

Sorry, that's just unscientific propaganda, especially since the article contains the "fact" that cloth masks are somehow proven to be effective. Not only do no such studies exist, but logically there's just no way they should work, and studies that prove they don't,do in fact exist. They were cited in the Telegraph article, which I assume you didn't read.

If you do a Google search, you can easily find articles supporting every viewpoint under the sun. But the unfortunate fact is that simply saying "science shows" or "studies prove" does not make scientific evidence or studies materialise out of thin air. And that's regardless of who is making the statement.

By all means, wear your mask if you want to, as long as you don't chastise those who quite rationally choose not to.

I'm not chastising anyone for not wearing a mask. I can not read your Telegraph article because I am not registered. Just from the title it seems like you are cherry picking just a bit. I agree that cloth masks or coverings may not be effective because the quality depends on material, layers, paper filter, how good a fit etc. I also agree that you can find differences on both sides even with those that are experts in their field.

Thank you for correcting me on Thalidomide, hazel. I actually didn't revisit and research and relied on my memory of what I recalled from the time. I think it still matters that Thalidomide was not produced to save lives, just minimize suffering. That's certainly a noble pursuit but is, I think, on a lesser level even from what we have already seen as the dire and far-reaching effects of Covid. That doesn't even speculate on how important mRNA could become since the conditions that caused Covid pandemic are not likely to diminish.

And you, Sir, have won, a real Winner Winner free range chicken dinner!! That's real meat there, Son. Don't let anyone publicly shame you for eating it.


GroupThink is a psychological phenomenon in which people strive for consensus within a group. In many cases, people will set aside their own personal beliefs or adopt the opinion of the rest of the group. The term was first used in 1972 by social psychologist Irving L. Janis.

People who are opposed to the decisions or overriding opinion of the group as a whole frequently remain quiet, preferring to keep the peace rather than disrupt the uniformity of the crowd. The phenomenon can be problematic, but even well-intentioned people are prone to making irrational decisions in the face of overwhelming pressure from the group.

The Principals of GroupThink. Your essential guide to Cable TV News and the Hive Mind.

A number of factors can influence this psychological phenomenon including

Now you can watch the movie, and possibly even enjoy it as your role in it is played out.

It ends badly and we all got a bit part in it.

Pull the String!

Interesting and reasonably balanced, objective Pandemic Endgame likelihoods with professional stats like from Kaiser Family Foundation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ndgame/619726/



Incidentally, my Mama took me to a "mumps party" at a very early age so I would get over it before it was a threat for sterilization. Since she is in a nice assisted living facility and actively sought the Pfizer vaccine, and since mumps wasn't threatening to kill me but Covid could, I'm pretty sure she doesn't want to take me to a Covid Party, but hey, maybe ur Mom has different ideas. Good luck.

Good info. Thank you, enorbet.

Hansel is, and always will remain, a boy in the box petting Schrodinger's kitty. Neither live or dead but both at once.

However, when not logged in, if I gaze upon a thread he's posted to the act of observing it allows his thoughts to escape the box, and did so to my own ends.

To illustrate the Hive Mind cookie-cutter attack strategy:

"Ridicule is what they perceive as their most powerful weapon."
When you can make fun of yourself who can stand against you...

"A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. Go team go!"
I once apologized for hammering his feelings, he gave me reason to regret apologizing. I put him in the box so I wouldn't feel like hammering him again, and in the box he stays.

"Keep the pressure on. Never give the opposition a chance to mount a resistance."
The illusion of Invincibility revealed as such by the delusion they suffer from.

"Personalize the attack, make it hurt. Induction of pain through psychological stimuli."
I bet his Mother is so ashamed of him... And she has the right to be. Dragging her into his argument from the place confined to live out her last days...


Their tactics predictable as a form letter, with only variance in theme. Worthless and ineffectual once the Hive Mind Handbook exposed.

I realize, Trihexagonal, that you sought to be diplomatic and try not to fall to the very same tactics you deplore (not too badly either ) but I am a bit confused to whom you are referring as "dragging 'mama' into the argument" since I see at least 2 mentions and the order is a matter of record now... unless he deletes it.

This is so true.
You can go anywhere - reddit, the pub next door, infotainment sites & programmes, even my ex-wife is repeating the same unfounded logorrhoe, and it all sounds the same. And it's nothing new, either.