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Old 09-05-2018, 10:17 PM   #16
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can you clarify?
i always held a good opinion of them.
what policies? pricing? did they raise prices? or something else?
Yes, they have changed their prices (within a couple months after i signed on last year), and they moved from 'pay-for-what-you-use' to a 3-tier flat rate, while still paying extra for some things like sql and email forwarding. But that was still ok by me, and still cheap.

What was more vexing for me was that they have recently 'upgraded' something on their server so that my older browsers can no longer access the member area to do maintenance tasks. This particular problem may deserve its own thread, as it is becoming more common for me with my older hardware and OS. It is also exactly what i was seeking to avoid a year ago when starting this thread. My former hosting service went cloud or made some security enhancements, and i was no longer able to navigate to any cPanel utilities to, for example, do maintenance on sql databases, cron jobs, etc. I eventually lost that website because i could not go to their secure server to pay for another year's service. Nor could i submit a support ticket to tell them of the problem. Without the ability to access the cPanel and customer support areas, i was SOL.

A big reason for signing up with NearlyFreeSpeech was that they do not use cPanel or other top-heavy gui utility. Their member area pages are intuitive, simple, and text based. I was even able to do maintenance tasks like run shell commands, etc, using my 13-year-old Konqueror browser (which, btw, i am still also using to browse LQ)! But am now facing potentially the same exact problem with NearlyFreeSpeech.net as with my former hosting service provider. When i sent them an email to inquire (because i can't go to the member support area), their system generated an automatic reply saying that because of the high potential for email spam i would have to report my problem on such and such a page in the member area, which is exactly what i could NOT do! Nor was i given advanced notification, same as with my former service.

I suppose i could work around some of these things by using my Android phone (more up to date), or by using a public computer. But both of these options come with significant security risks, no? Nor can i realistically run sftp transfers this way.

Or, i could finally shop for a newer computer and more advanced OS and browsers. Expensive and difficult here in Nicaragua. And if i do that, i may as well go back to a cheap cPanel type of hosting; those services are ubiquitous.

Or, i could drop my personal website altogether. The site itself is simple and runs quite well on old systems. But maintaining it without spending a lot of time and money may now have become unworkable.
 
Old 09-06-2018, 12:46 AM   #17
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thanks for you rdetailed reply.

don't either digitalocean or nearlyfreespeach offer a vm that you can install your own operating system on? digitalocean call this "droplets" i think.
that should stop your browser problems once and for all.
but i must say, using a 13-year old browser is prone to cause all sorts of problems in 2018's www.
can you not do maintenance through ssh?
 
Old 09-06-2018, 09:00 AM   #18
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thanks for you rdetailed reply.

don't either digitalocean or nearlyfreespeach offer a vm that you can install your own operating system on? digitalocean call this "droplets" i think.
that should stop your browser problems once and for all.
but i must say, using a 13-year old browser is prone to cause all sorts of problems in 2018's www.
can you not do maintenance through ssh?
Thank you, ondoho for your continued interest and suggestions.

Yes, NFSN offers a variety of 'realms' as they call it, to run my website on an OS of my choice. But that only affects the way my website runs, and not the navigation of my member area to do things like sql maintenance or paying my NFSN bill. My website itself runs well on old browsers without changing realms; it's accessing the NFSN member area that i cannot do from my desktop.

I have always been able to do interactive ssh/sftp maintenance, and was able to set up for batch sftp using a very insecure procedure of loading my desktop's public key into the public area of my site and then using my Android to navigate to my member area and install the key. So now i can readily do routine sftp maintenance from my desktop. But while that gets me past daily maintenance issues, it does not solve the long term problem that i am in effect locked out of my own member area unless i use my Android phone or a public computer. Haven't yet figured out how i will pay my bill which i will have to do in a couple months. I suppose use my Android or public computer, and hope that i don't get victimized.

Should add that i am on the super cheap plan with NFSN, so that tech support is very limited anyway. When i was able to access the member area, i could work through questions using their faq page or member (LQ-like) forum. Not being able to do that may be the hardest thing.

I also have a newer Opera browser, about 6 years old. Same problems. This whole blockage occurred quite suddenly about two or three months ago and affected all 3 of my desktop browsers. I lack the terms in my lexicon to describe this, but believe it must involve some newer security protocol that none of my browsers recognize or that slows down my system so much that navigation is impossible. This occurs with more and more websites that heretofore were never a problem. Maybe a matter for a separate LQ thread.
 
Old 09-06-2018, 12:08 PM   #19
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Yes, NFSN offers a variety of 'realms' as they call it, to run my website on an OS of my choice.
that's not exactly what i meant; i meant that you can install any distro you want on an empty vm.
only if you mess up would you need to contact the provider to reset it.
i don't know how exactly this works (i self-host), but i know it's quite common.
once it's set up, it's your own server and you decide whether you want to allow your old browser or not.
it is of course still possible that cPanel uses some javascript or html features that won't work on a 13-year old browser.

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I have always been able to do interactive ssh/sftp maintenance, and was able to set up for batch sftp using a very insecure procedure of loading my desktop's public key into the public area of my site and then using my Android to navigate to my member area and install the key.
i don't exactly understand what is going on there, but this is very, very different from how i do it, and it sounds wrong.
 
Old 09-12-2018, 08:34 PM   #20
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that's not exactly what i meant; i meant that you can install any distro you want on an empty vm.
only if you mess up would you need to contact the provider to reset it.
i don't know how exactly this works (i self-host), but i know it's quite common.
once it's set up, it's your own server and you decide whether you want to allow your old browser or not.
it is of course still possible that cPanel uses some javascript or html features that won't work on a 13-year old browser.
Do you mean to say their facilities for member services as, for example, adding funds via a bank card or setting up an sql database, would run on a vm with an os that i personally have installed? That would be beyond my ken, if not beyond NFSN's ability.

NFSN doesn't use cPanel, nor javascript. I only mentioned cPanel as the analogous service that many other hosting services offer.

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i don't exactly understand what is going on there, but this is very, very different from how i do it, and it sounds wrong.
It sounds wrong because it is wrong. NFSN does not go by the book in looking for the SSH public key in the standard location. Instead, i must go to a particular page in the member area and paste the public key into their form. Since i could not do this from my desktop browser, i had to use interactive sftp to create a text file containing the public key in the public area of my site, then use my Android to navigate to my member area, retrieve the key, and paste it into NFSN's form. Then i deleted that text file, of course.
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(i self-host)
How difficult and how expensive is that? And i suppose i would definitely need a newer system to self-host?
 
Old 09-13-2018, 09:57 AM   #21
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Lsuggestions as to cheap no-frills hosting on a linux server
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q=suggestions+as+to+cheap+no-frills+hosting+on+a+linux+server
q= is a search_engine thingie. Try it!

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Old 09-13-2018, 01:08 PM   #22
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How difficult and how expensive is that? And i suppose i would definitely need a newer system to self-host?
it is not difficult; just start with a good tutorial etc.

my setup:
  • a broadband connection that provides all internet for my home: 30/month
  • router
  • some hand-me-down 10-year-old laptop that acts as a web server (simple website, sometimes personal media streaming) and a local file server (NFS), running debian stable. maintenance through ssh.
  • a web address

i was lucky with my ISP; my broadband connection has a fixed IP and keeps incoming ports open.
the domain name is provided by http://iki.fi (donation based).
you can look at my website through my signature.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 09:31 AM   #23
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it is not difficult; just start with a good tutorial etc.

my setup:
  • a broadband connection that provides all internet for my home: 30/month
  • router
  • some hand-me-down 10-year-old laptop that acts as a web server (simple website, sometimes personal media streaming) and a local file server (NFS), running debian stable. maintenance through ssh.
  • a web address

i was lucky with my ISP; my broadband connection has a fixed IP and keeps incoming ports open.
the domain name is provided by http://iki.fi (donation based).
you can look at my website through my signature.
Thanks, ondoho (too bad i posted this in 'General' where i can't add to your reputation). Looks like my biggest hurdle would be the first item listed. Both internet connectivity and power supply are intermittent here in central Nicaragua. But i might still look into the possibility.
 
Old 09-16-2018, 01:25 PM   #24
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Thanks, ondoho (too bad i posted this in 'General' where i can't add to your reputation).
You should be able to click the "Rep" link on the left, by the Rep scales, even in General...
(or not...just tried it. Didn't work)
Just find another post and add rep there.

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Old 09-17-2018, 12:36 AM   #25
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Both internet connectivity and power supply are intermittent here in central Nicaragua.
um.
of course only you know if you can make that more reliable, or if you're ok with your site being offline sometimes, but i'd say you're better off buying some virtual hosting in that case.

small hint about power outages:
that's the good thing about using an old laptop as a server:
if the battery can hold even a few minutes of charge, you can at least gracefully shut down when the power is out.
 
Old 09-26-2018, 03:03 AM   #26
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Another vote for digitalocean. Good service and customer support.
 
Old 09-27-2018, 01:46 PM   #27
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Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. Will mark this as 'Solved' but continue to look into these options, esp. DigitalOcean, and will try to improve my system a bit as well. Meanwhile, i've renewed my domain and hosting with NearlyFreeSpeech for another year, using my Android, seemed to go ok, and i will erase my Android history so as not to expose myself should my phone get lost or stolen.

The following from NFSN made me smile and prompted me to give them another shot:
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PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL. This message is required by ICANN regardless of whether its content is applicable to your situation...
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(several lines of info that i already knew)
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We acknowledge that this message is essentially content-free, and we apologize for the waste of your time and inbox space that it represents. If it wasn't required, it wouldn't exist.

Sincerely,

The NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Stupid Bureaucratic Rules Compliance Department
You gotta like folks with that kind of attitude and sense of humor.

p.s. oops! guess i won't mark this as 'Solved'. That seems not to be an option in the General forum?

Last edited by dogpatch; 09-27-2018 at 01:49 PM. Reason: add p.s.
 
Old 10-02-2018, 10:05 AM   #28
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my setup:
  • a broadband connection that provides all internet for my home: 30/month
  • ...

i was lucky with my ISP; my broadband connection has a fixed IP and keeps incoming ports open.
My broadband provider, Verizon, has a clause that you can't run a server. I run one anyway, on a high port that only I know about, so only I and the occasional scavenger can access. But I wonder if your provider allows what you're doing.
 
  


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