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Old 04-05-2016, 07:16 AM   #91
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I am going to dumb down your post since I am a dumb down kind of dude.

Scalia. RIP. Was a paid mouthpiece for lobbyists to enact agendas for money. Musta been the Italian Mafia in his gene pool. To be fair. He was not the only one who is a bought and paid for supreme court judge.
But bought and paid for non the less.

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and so on.
No. Those dudes are locked in and none of us can change that. The red tape surrounding them is to strong Luke. They serve for life and and their force for the dark side is stronger than yours or mine for serving the good people. Right now. Politics is ruling the rule book on who gets appointed next.
Not us. <Edit: The ones who do not like this>

Not sure what all of this has to do with the "Donald" and his popularity.
I have my own thoughts on the , ahem, people that like him. That I won't go into in a forum setting.
I guess we will see what we'll see.
Viva La Raza! Whatever what race you belong to.

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Old 04-05-2016, 11:46 AM   #92
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"Corporations" are for finding the best way to exploit, a capitalist "government" made that happen and won't pass it up for slaves and all.

Evolution can't exist without de-... (I'm gonna climb a tree but not to shoot at Donald or anything. )
 
Old 04-05-2016, 01:53 PM   #93
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"We live in very Interesting times." And I, for one, am very glad to see any determination to change "the ever-devolving status quo" at all, misguided though it may be. Even though I consider "The Donald" to be nothing more than an aberration of the present "political fossilization," I am glad to see any faint sign of life.
 
Old 04-05-2016, 02:51 PM   #94
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I can't believe I missed this, but an interesting theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6PcQ1Be5ak
 
Old 04-05-2016, 04:02 PM   #95
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Yup ... "reality TV."

Something, like "TV" altogether" ... that I am very proud to say (and, to say quite honestly) that I have never watched, in more than thirty(!!) years now.

... and that I have never missed.

Nevertheless, this video author has hit the nail on the head.

I idly wonder just how many "mainstream video campaigns" have ever even thought of(!) "producing a YouTube video" such as this?

To me, the entire notion of "reality TV" is positively comical, because I am looking upon it from the point-of-view of an outsider. I clearly recognize that there's absolutely nothing "reality" about it. But, at the same time, I also clearly understand that: "the audience does not see it that way." Each member of the audience has projected himself or herself into one "real" character or another, without even realizing it, and this must be what makes "reality (sic) TeeVee" even more(!) compelling than General Hospital.

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"Reality" (sic) TeeVee: a venue where you can generate excitement when a contestant "pours a team's remaining supply of water," and no one in the (Inter)National TeeVee Audience™ ever once(!) stops to consider what the cameraman thinks about it!"
Duh.™

Okay, "I get it." "I get it."

Frankly (and as the prescient video clearly shows ...), people don't really give a damn if one drag-queen is (supposedly) blessing-out another drag queen, as long as (a) "the line is good" and (b) the queen who gets his/her dressing-down "appears 'suitably shocked' for sixteen frames."

By comparison, "the existing, fossilized, political apparatchik in America" has one side of their stuck in Iowa, and the other side stuck in telephone-based opinion polls. They make it their million-dollar business "to Offend no one."

And I guess that they consider that they are succeeding in that . . .

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Old 04-06-2016, 02:28 PM   #96
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These are things that we now know to be necessary, even though people in a non-air-conditioned Philadelphia meeting room didn't. (But those people did know that there might come a time when direct Amendment action, initiated by the Several States not by the Congress, would be required to bring the Congress and the Government back into line.) We've already had serious discussions of the idea, back in 2011.
The States? Seriously? the legislators at the local level are even loonier than the folks in DC. Wouldn't trust those guys to find their **** with a mirror and both hands.
 
Old 04-06-2016, 08:12 PM   #97
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If nothing else, Donald Trump gets my thanks for stirring this up during this election!!
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:52 AM   #98
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2lMtCS0OMo
 
Old 04-08-2016, 01:28 AM   #99
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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borow...e-in-wisconsin
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Trump Says He Will Sue Everyone in Wisconsin
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Old 04-08-2016, 07:36 AM   #100
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Well, "it's reality-check time" for all those who dream of "The Donald" as being some kind of usurper to present political realities in the United States: he is not, and the system remains in no less need of fundamental overhaul and reform.

"The Donald" is an example of "reality tee-vee marketing," as applied to politics. Millions of viewers absorb these "real" shows every week, none of them ever seeming to consider, "where's the cameraman and film crew on this 'deserted island?'" The mantra is, "give 'em what they want, after making them want what you give them," and it continues to work as well as it always does.

The political system remains as it always has been for nearly a hundred years now: two or three hand-picked "candidates," competing (sic) in a flag-dripping show, after which those people, knowing that they were "hand-picked" and therefore knowing to whom their allegiances must lie, spend the next years doing corporate bidding.

None of the "candidates," including Donald and including Bernie, significantly depart from that.
 
Old 04-08-2016, 07:51 AM   #101
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"Why is Donald Trump so damned popular?"

What kind of question is that.

Similar, or maybe much more ignorant and malicious people than Donald Trump will be much more popular on a regular basis every few decades and centuries.

These funny inefficiencies are inherent in the herd animal man.

It always drifts between wise/stupid, noble/malicious. The funny herd function amplifying the random effects.

Anything that has been going on in the past, will, of course, happen again in the future.

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Old 04-08-2016, 09:28 AM   #102
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Exclamation

STOOGE SLAPSTICK SAVVY: Moe tackles the problem with politics, then and today... https://youtu.be/cpnQ9gc_6-s


I say we eliminate voting for people and only vote on policies, which get done by jobs not lazine$$ &c!!!
 
Old 04-08-2016, 10:56 AM   #103
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Face it: "control of the American government" is fundamentally a business proposition, since that government can be counted-upon to "borrow from itself" several million dollars a minute, and of course, precisely because it can. Furthermore, it can spend its money in secret. The hills surrounding Washington, DC are stuffed with mansions built from that "endless largess."

The US Government also commands an improbably-gigantic military force. Which is just what you need (or, so you imperiously thought ...) to easily conquer Afghanistan so that you could build an oil-pipeline to the Caspian Sea to forever bypass Mr. Putin.

Obviously, such important business matters as "the operation of the US Government, Inc.," cannot be left in the hands of "the great, unwashed, vox populi." (As the original framers of the Constitution ... "wealthy [Virginia] landowners and businessmen" ... obviously knew.)

You must make the public think that they have a vote and an influence, even though (these days) you have eliminated "those pesky 'hanging chads'" altogether by contriving to use digital computers to 'count' the votes but with no audit-trail of any kind. But, you absolutely must not permit "350 million people" to interfere, in any meaningful way, with the business dealings of "the privileged less-than-a thousand."

This year, it was decided that "a reality-TV angle" was needed in order to keep the younger generation suitably pacified. A very old Libertarian, "Senator Bernie," was deployed as a reserve guard to pacify the (also, for the most part, "very old") remaining Hippies.

At this point, two reasonable possibilities exist. One is to "vote Mr. Trump off the island." Which probably won't work, since he's been the one to tell everybody else that they're fired. Therefore, probably the best thing to do is to go ahead and let him win the "red division" nomination. As for the "blue division," well, it's just gonna have to be Hillary, so we'll let the (computer-controlled, un-auditable) election "results" come out "disappointingly close," and hope that Bernie will know to retire gracefully from the field (once again).

Which leaves ... already pre-ordained ... your Next President of the United States: Hillary Clinton™. Yeah, we're not quite sure what her husband will think of being confined to "the wife's quarters" of the White House ... if he decides to live there at all ... but, (in the conspicuous so-far absence of Jeb Bush™) she will do for another eight years.

In any case, like the Supreme Court and like the Congress, she can be comfortably relied-upon to do precisely what her Corporate masters bid her to do. The prisoners will never be released from Git'mo. The wars overseas will only escalate. The American economy will continue to devolve, continuing the determined international campaign to permanently marginalize this "not-yet 300 years old 'upstart crow' of a nation." International trade agreements will be passed to un-employ tens of millions more Americans, while employing millions of the very same people that America once (claimed to have) defeated in War: Korea, Vietnam, Japan, and Germany.

Furthermore, this will guarantee that America remains effectively paralyzed, unable to ever again deploy its once-formidable industrial power, and (at least for another eight corporate-comfy years) the American people will remain as they are: self-absorbed, self-confused, non-autonomous on the world industrial stage, increasingly frustrated (but, who cares, really ...?), and emasculated.

Continuing to be absorbed by the notion of an electronics-driven "new world order" based on goodies (phones, tablets, laptops, etc.) that it cannot, itself, manufacture.

Continuing to be reliant on imported "indentured servants" at the exclusion of its own people. And, yet, continuing to be powerless to conceive of anything else.

There is, after all, no General to defiantly say, "Nuts!!" And, even if he did, there is no industrial powerhouse to back it up.

Donald Trump is an interesting but carefully-engineered side show. Nothing more. Nothing less. For all the (also, carefully-engineered) blustering and blowing that you now hear on the (also, carefully-engineered) political stage, America should remain equally powerless, and equally not-in-control of its own future, for at least another human generation. Even as the rest of the world moves on, and seizes the day.

It's strange that a nation of 360 million(!) citizens can't figure out that they are the Stakeholders in "this 'U S of A' thing," and that they need only coalesce and assert their collective authority ... as their ancestors did ... to have "whatever they demand." Why do they allow less-than-a-thousand people to control them, and to fleece them dry (of money that is increasingly worthless)? No one seems to know.

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Old 04-08-2016, 03:10 PM   #104
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Why is reality tv so popular? Figure that out and you will understand Trump's popularity.
 
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Which leaves ... already pre-ordained ... your Next President of the United States: Hillary Clinton™.
I must admit I didn't really look at what Trump says and who he is. But from the superficial judgement I wonder how the Republicans can come up with such a figure.

Anyway in my opinion the root of his success is that he possesses the image of saying what he thinks (no idea if thats true, or if he will do it also). But I also value a person much higher who says what he thinks and doesn't care much what the establishment or majority like. Because the majority of society I myself consider false, hypocritical, seeking their advantage, under application of lies, concealement, mobbing, intrigue, theft lies, and so forth.

So someone who creates an edged and authentic image seems attractive in the mass of maybe political correct hypocrits.

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The American economy will continue to devolve, continuing the determined international campaign to permanently marginalize this "not-yet 300 years old 'upstart crow' of a nation." International trade agreements will be passed to un-employ tens of millions more Americans, while employing millions of the very same people that America once (claimed to have) defeated in War: Korea, Vietnam, Japan, and Germany.

Furthermore, this will guarantee that America remains effectively paralyzed, unable to ever again deploy its once-formidable industrial power...
Yes, we all are full of fear that privileges we enjoy in our first world and our wealth might decrease, or we would have to share with other industry nations, let alone the rest of the world.

National egoism is only natural, and will never, ever go away.

By the way in Europe people mostly don't like free trading treaties with the US. Because we surely fear being hornswoggled by the US, to copy each of our local products, and most probably decrease quality standards in food production by adding whatever chemicals they add to it probaby over there.

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America should remain equally powerless, and equally not-in-control of its own future, for at least another human generation. Even as the rest of the world moves on, and seizes the day.
Well, first in my opinion we should apply Hanlon's Razor more often, rather than assuming malice (that surely enough is out ther abundantly too).

Secondly I don't think it's right to feed the fear, of Americans alledgedly beeing left behind in the economic world of today.

That is most questionable. We, US and Europe, are the first world. We fly to holiday around the globe, we die of overweight, we have the biggest armies and most expensive weapons in the world.

And as you said before. The US even have a reputation to wage wars to simply achieve economical advantage. That is not precicely the role model of a victim being pushed around.

National egoism. The world is full of it, also here in Europe everywhere. But unfortunately that is just a basic human property.

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