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Old 03-07-2016, 05:11 PM   #76
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Not only people multiply, bang, bang...
 
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This is rather interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIfSwt489e4
 
Old 04-01-2016, 09:21 AM   #78
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You consider a video entitled, "The Assassination of Donald Trump" to be ... "rather interesting?!"

In my opinion, discussion of the murder of a political candidate ... let alone a Presidential candidate ... is highly inappropriate, and certainly not "interesting" at all.

Anyhow, let the record show that "The Donald" has galvanized and waked-up political interest, both in America and throughout the world, and has put the largely-fossilized American political establishment fairly in a panic. He doesn't need their money, won't wear their muzzle, and is seen by a great many as "a breath of fresh air" precisely because, IMHO, he is on-the-telly as saying precisely what people now most want to say to their political apparatchik: "You're Fired!™"

The power-brokers are ready to offer an old Senator (popular with the college set) in order to smooth the way for a colorless former First Lady, with the alternative being, say, a nice guy in a business suit ... the First Lady pre-ordained to become "the winner" ... and then comes this guy who has, on his own, more money than any of them. (Never mind that people talk despairingly about "the One Percent" while seriously contemplating electing one of those people.) Sure, to maintain vise-grip control of American power for the next eight, twelve, sixteen years (as they are accustomed to do ...), power brokers would resort to violence. But we need not discuss things here.

Murder is never the answer to anything.
 
Old 04-01-2016, 09:47 AM   #79
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I never know which is worse.

A sexist, bigoted, unsympathetic, bombastic, opinionated, hateful, rich dude with airs.
A quiet, bigoted, unsympathetic, behind the scenes, back stabbing, hateful, sexist, opinionated, rich dude with airs.

I do know one thing. Other people besides me cannot tell which is worse either.
 
Old 04-01-2016, 12:28 PM   #80
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Obviously, the root problem is the utter and complete lack of actual choice.

Huffington Post published an interesting article today about "Democratic Super-Delegates," which are basically old-guards of the party apparatchik who will make damn sure that the "wrong" candidate does not somehow get nominated. (Apparently, this "correction" was put in during the days of Richard Nixon.) And of course, the "Red brand" is no better in this regard than the "Blue" one.

Although this certainly prevented "unwanted" change, it was also the beginning of fossilization. One generation responded by not-voting, which suited the suits just fine. The current generation is not following the same play-book. It's almost as though they care about something . . .

It has frequently been observed that the US Senate has less turnover than the Soviet Politburo had in its heyday. In no other country do judges rule until they die of old age on the bench.

Basically, "the times they are a'changin', if due to Father Time if nothing else. And it would certainly be a good thing, since the "(only) two-party system" that slipped into place after World War I ought to have run its course by now. Both "alternatives" are fossilized, both of them are bleating, "let them eat cake," both of them are saying that "this is the way it must be (because we said so, and because you've always believed us before)," and it's simply not working this time. It is very interesting to watch.

"What?! Actual, representative democracy? The people can't have that! There's no money in it! I mean, for us!"

When change slips in, "not with a shout, but with an inexorable whisper," you'd better start paying attention. If it's not an engineered headline, it must be the real thing.

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Old 04-01-2016, 01:38 PM   #81
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One thing the 2016 United States election for a new president is making perfectly clear to the whole world is that the human race desperately needs a new direction away from suicide!!
 
Old 04-01-2016, 02:55 PM   #82
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A machine can be freed from most "human" interactions if done right, insert bribe here. http://totpod.illogicool.com/109-insert-bribe-here/


The way I see it (here) is government's rich and lazy, cut everything to education! >:(

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Old 04-01-2016, 03:31 PM   #83
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You consider a video entitled, "The Assassination of Donald Trump" to be ... "rather interesting?!"

In my opinion, discussion of the murder of a political candidate ... let alone a Presidential candidate ... is highly inappropriate, and certainly not "interesting" at all.

Anyhow, let the record show that "The Donald" has galvanized and waked-up political interest, both in America and throughout the world, and has put the largely-fossilized American political establishment fairly in a panic. He doesn't need their money, won't wear their muzzle, and is seen by a great many as "a breath of fresh air" precisely because, IMHO, he is on-the-telly as saying precisely what people now most want to say to their political apparatchik: "You're Fired!™"

The power-brokers are ready to offer an old Senator (popular with the college set) in order to smooth the way for a colorless former First Lady, with the alternative being, say, a nice guy in a business suit ... the First Lady pre-ordained to become "the winner" ... and then comes this guy who has, on his own, more money than any of them. (Never mind that people talk despairingly about "the One Percent" while seriously contemplating electing one of those people.) Sure, to maintain vise-grip control of American power for the next eight, twelve, sixteen years (as they are accustomed to do ...), power brokers would resort to violence. But we need not discuss things here.

Murder is never the answer to anything.
Did you watch the entire video or did you just stop at the title? If the ladder please watch the entire video

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Considering Trump's popularity a lot of at stake for the establishment so I wouldn't be surprised if the usual tactics do not work. I never said I would vote Trump, but the fact that he is shaking things up on both sides and is a threat to the powerbase, well....

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Old 04-01-2016, 03:52 PM   #84
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That man murdered that drone? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ne-4175564548/

Add: most meat is legal to eat tho our bodies (evolving) don't like it anymore! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7V6FAoTLc

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Old 04-04-2016, 01:13 PM   #85
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I read an interesting article today about one of the chords that are resonating with votes that like Donald Trump:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/op...rica.html?_r=0
 
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Thats part of the reason why the establishment is so worried, and trying everything it can to stop him. If you have a candidate that is asking questions thats bad for the rest of the rats who are profiting from pointless military excursions under the guise of freedom and security. Those lies aren't working anymore, and you have more people with loved ones coming home mutilated or in a box all for military conquest.

Trump is too much for the establishment, and like the video I posted earlier - he may end up like Huey Long. I have my doubts he will get the nominee as I alos stated earlier, there will be major shenanigans and maneuvering any way possible to prevent his nomination. Even if he is nominated the electoral college will find a way to disqualify him, and if by some crazy happenings that he does end up in the White House, bets how long until he has some kind of 'accident' or is outright taken out JFK style or other.

Conspiratorial sounding yes, but someone this vocal outright willing to go after the establishment like this, again too much is at stake. Control and money, so in the end Trump will just be another blip on the radar and then forgotten.

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Old 04-04-2016, 08:15 PM   #87
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Dunno ... the man literally has enough money to put on a campaign single-handedly ... and if he plays on the idea that "the establishment" tried to squelch him, he could win by a landslide.
 
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He doesn't need money, hence he cannot be controlled

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Dunno ... the man literally has enough money to put on a campaign single-handedly ... and if he plays on the idea that "the establishment" tried to squelch him, he could win by a landslide.
Thats the point. He is not tied to any 'contributor'/lobbyist-briber unlike the other candidates, and so he is not in their control. Again it is also ironic that someone in this country has to have so much money in the first place, for a successful campaign, but hey limits on contributions be damned its the American way

If he was using contributions in a traditional way, it is likely that he would be very toned down. He IS still technically being squelched because the GOP refuses to endorse him. Why would any party endorse a candidate if they are using their own means, and not the usual route of those buying the election in the first place?
 
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I did forget to mention, maybe it won't end that badly for Trump though, he could just end up by Ross Perot and just get gangbanged by both parties until he is forced to quit.
 
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The US Government slipped down a black hole when corporations bribed(!) the US Supreme Court into the Citizens United ruling, and others, which somehow declared that "bribery" is not what the US Constitution actually says that it is -- a High Crime uttered in the same sentence as "treason" -- but "a corporate Constitutional right."

Never mind that neither the word "corporation," nor the concept of it, is ever used in the actual, hoary document. "Who cares about the document, except to 'justify' anything we want, and to allow the Supreme Court to enact law by proclamation?"

The actual role of the Supreme Court is barely defined in the Constitution ... the Article which defines this branch of Government is the shortest of them all ... but the over-arching powers which this Court have appointed unto itself, by its own apparently-limitless authority, have clearly grown to the point of inexcusable abuse. The issue is exacerbated by the fact that they are appointed, not elected, and that once they are appointed they retain the position until they drop dead of old age. Their self-defined role has become that of a privy council ... that of a monarch.

Corporations actually made a fatal mistake when they "legalized" bribery, and when Congress et al happily adopted a "let them eat cake" attitude in response to it. You can't continue to rule a country when its citizens no longer imagine that you actually represent them. More than anything else, the people of the country are now craving people who actually say that they do, and who dare to say something different than what they've heard over the last fifty years. (The French murdered a lot of people when they finally got their craw full of it. We can do better than that.)

But "the election of a President, or of Congress," cannot continue to be something that "costs billions of dollars," even if the Press (who, after all, receives those dollars!) thinks otherwise. A "choice" between two or three people hand-picked by corporations is no "choice" at all.

The United States is reaching a point where a Constitutional Convention will have to be convened (because the Congress, at its self-absorbed point, will never do such a thing), certain Amendments proposed and enacted, and those Amendments then forced to stick.
  • No one can be allowed to hold any office "for life," nor to be re-elected into an office "forever." (In fact, they must be made to live with the constant fear of "You're Fired!")
  • A judicial body consisting of (about) nine persons cannot de facto enact law, nor overrule the activities of legislatures. The powers that this court "appointed unto itself" over the past two hundred years must be reviewed, and limited.
  • The role of Corporations, versus that of the citizens, must be both defined and limited.
  • The role of the "fourth branch of Government" and the minions who inhabit it, must be defined. (You can't "have a lifetime career" at the top of that heap, either.)
  • We can't continue to have "all or nothing" Congressional bills that are much(!) longer than War And Peace.
  • ... and so on.
These are things that we now know to be necessary, even though people in a non-air-conditioned Philadelphia meeting room didn't. (But those people did know that there might come a time when direct Amendment action, initiated by the Several States not by the Congress, would be required to bring the Congress and the Government back into line.) We've already had serious discussions of the idea, back in 2011.

"If it is 'broke,' fix it!"

I expect this to actually come to pass, soon. People are already driving for change to a system which they know has failed them, but that they know can also be peacefully repaired. Even though I do not think that this billionaire would be at-all successful in the office that he seeks, "change is in the air."

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