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Old 11-14-2016, 07:47 PM   #406
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Trump may be a buffoon, but seems to me that Clinton couldn't WAIT to get at the helm, and continue the military excursions. I still find it interesting how some on the democrat side like to equate Putin in meddling and putting his influence on the election, yet can easily turn a blind eye to Clinton's donars, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc - who are pretty much funding terrorists ... Hrmm. crazy huh?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ0wk_Xi7H4
 
Old 11-14-2016, 07:58 PM   #407
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"Trump and Putin vow to tackle ISIS together as they hold breakthrough talks after billionaire's election"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...e-isis-9259834


So, what would have happened if Hillary won instead? Probably try to continue her list of government to keep on overthrowing.
 
Old 11-15-2016, 05:48 AM   #408
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You speak as though there's something to overthrow? Only if we drop the r from evolution can we mutate that rr!r!
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/tin...d-criminalize/
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Old 11-16-2016, 03:49 PM   #409
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I think Bill Burr pretty much summed it up nicely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWD50H37Duc
 
Old 11-17-2016, 09:05 AM   #410
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I f*ckin' don't f*ckin' like f*ckin' Bill f*ckin' sh*t Burr, and it f*ckin' oughta f*ckin' well be f*ckin' clear why I f*ckin' don't f*ckin' listen to sh*t f*ckin' him for more than a f*ckin' minute.



"Potty Talk" doesn't make you a good political commentator.

I think that people are troubled by this election outcome because "they were talking to each other" instead of "listening to the people."

It all started approximately in the Reagan era, when an ersatz (and, dystopian ...) socio/economic dementia gripped the world. Suddenly, the most important thing was to look really good on an economist's or an accountant's ledger books. "Workers" were deemed to be in infinite supply, and "goods" were to be imported from the very cheapest sources. Laws such as the Glass-Steagall Act were summarily repealed.

And, let the record show that both American political parties were doing the same thing and advocating the same policies. There was (and generally is) no functional difference between them.

Well, maybe you are okay with title-loan pawnshops which charge over 1,000% interest while your credit, strangely enough, is just not "good enough" to get a loan from a bank anymore. Maybe you have never been displaced from your job by someone who is doomed to live 17-to-an-apartment for two to six years before being summarily tossed-back where s/he came from. Maybe you are young and healthy and have never (yet) needed serious medical care. Maybe you think that the Citizens United decision is perfectly entitled to exorcise the word, "Bribery," from the very text of the US Constitution, being naively confident as you apparently are that Supreme Court Justices cannot be bribed.

If this be the case, then actual voters are not "you."

2016 will be recorded as a pivotal year in which voters in both Britain and the United States (under very different circumstances and for different fundamental reasons) finally had enough. Maybe they had no idea who they were voting for. (They certainly didn't have much of a choice ...) But, "change begins in just this way." It's so long in coming that you despair that this time it will never arrive ... when it shows up in the most-unexpected way.

To me, "it says everything" that so(!) many people were so(!) "absolutely sure" that they knew(!) what the outcome must be.

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Old 11-17-2016, 01:05 PM   #411
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All that I can do is to hope and to pray that the United States, and all of humanity, survive the next four years!!
 
Old 11-17-2016, 01:07 PM   #412
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All that I can do is to hope and to pray that the United States, and all of humanity, survive the next four years!!
Well I hate to say it, but it has a slightly better chance than under Hillary. Just sayin, she had her own plans ready for more military excursions.
 
Old 11-17-2016, 01:17 PM   #413
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Trump made me think of the ancient Athenian demagogue Cleon, so I looked him up in Wikipedia. I found this:
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Although rough and unpolished, he was charismatic, being gifted with natural eloquence and a powerful voice, and he knew how to work upon the emotions of the Athenian populace... His influence lay in his forceful and bullying style of oratory, anti-intellectual and anti-aristocratic in tone, and his populism. This might have brought him many enemies. He seems to have aimed at short-term goals, but Athens' poor stood to benefit by his policies, at the expense of heavy taxes levied onto her allies.
Plus ca change!
 
Old 11-17-2016, 01:26 PM   #414
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irxUloRi2q0
 
Old 11-17-2016, 01:29 PM   #415
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Interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDMCRUgKk4I - Kinda says something even when Obama at one point backed Hillary, states this - Clinton still blames the FBI.

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"President Obama suggests Hillary Clinton is to blame for stunning election loss"
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/president-o...n-loss-1591540

"Hillary Clinton Blames F.B.I. Director for Election Loss"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us...mes-comey.html

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Old 11-17-2016, 04:55 PM   #416
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Arrow

If you vote for anybody you're the problem! Democracy is a dictatorship in disguise and not in a good way (like "parenting";) if we made voting MANDATORY and being a nominee semi-mandatory we'd know why so-many nukes exist... or, we'd get rid of them, greed, stupidity, racism, repetitiveness, stupidity and just f your system NOT THE
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I'm sot gonna do a screencast of me dropping this laptop to the floor, rant over!
 
Old 11-17-2016, 05:55 PM   #417
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Well I hate to say it, but it has a slightly better chance than under Hillary. Just sayin, she had her own plans ready for more military excursions.
I agree with much of your taste in Music (on another thread) but i wonder where you get your News information, how you reach conclusions, and if you sincerely "hate to say it". It remains to be seen what will actually happen but I tend to "bet with the house". By that I mean the odds that people change very little if at all. To imagine how Hillary would have fared I can only look at her record as Secy of State. She was not a "game changer" and won't go down as possibly even in the top 10 ever but she generally spread good will in many places and pissed off only a very few. My guess is her presidency would be similar since she is a lifelong political study with gobs of experience and knowledge of how to work in government.

Trump, OTOH, is at best a businessman, and one used to relying on the solitary power of gobs of financial backing and the dictatorial power to fire anyone who disagrees with or opposes him. His knowledge of the world and especially from a diplomatic and political POV is extremely limited. His political experience and civic knowledge is nil.

That she could rule the military is highly improbable. That he can lead the country effectively is almost equally improbable. What works in business doesn't work in government especially since he is not able to dictate nor rely on his wealth and position. His ego and inexperience is likely to make listening to advisors difficult and undermine any diplomatic relations. What he may do in the face of such responsibility (not to mention his dawning realization of the degree of historic scrutiny) and lack of expertise will likely be fascinating. Hopefully at not too great a cost
 
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@ sundialsvcs - No fundamental difference? I agree that the difference is smaller than is likely good for the Country but nonexistent? So you think that JFK and Nixon were "potato/pototo"? How 'bout Bush (either one) vs/ Obama? Same? Sorry, I don't see it.

@ jamison2000e - I'm nearly speechless from reading "Democracy is dictatorship disguised" and "voters are the problem". This is a global forum and I am certain that people who have lived under actual dictatorships would strongly disagree. I'd love to hear from North Koreans but wait... that's right, they have no voice upon fear of death.

Are democratic nations level playing fields? Hell no! but dictatorships? C'mon dude, get real. It is easy to prove that voting matters since if it didn't the billions of dollars spent to sway or rig it would be spent somewhere actually effective. The very wealthy may be arrogant and self-absorbed but they are not stupid and would sooner eat their children than part with money.

Polarizing your views is surely one way to take them entirely off the table, or worse. Looking back, how realistic and effective do you imagine all the revolution talk of the 60s was? Did the country (any country, anywhere), at least by 2016, get more level or more fascist? You only have to witness the election of Nixon, dismissal of charges by Ford, and election of Reagan to get your answer, all largely as a reaction to such polarization and absurd fever dream rhetoric from the so-called Left. That sequence changed US History for a very long time, swinging it in favor of the very rich and against the Middle and Lower classes. Do you really want to repeat and extend that?
 
Old 11-17-2016, 07:20 PM   #419
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Speaking of past presidents, the Kennedy and LBJ era didn't do much for the working class. In fact there was a terrible recession in the early 60's. Mounting wars in Vietnam nearly to it's height under LBJ. Nixon at least ended the war. Obama didn't do anything for the working class that I've seen. He didn't do much for the war on terror either. Clinton did the worst anyone could with NAFTA. Reagan almost broke the nation but ended up breaking up the USSR in a spending race.
 
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Arrow ...drop was metaphorical, rant continued; agree to disagree, maybe we'll [B]change[/B] the world?

All the political women in my life were bragging on voting in the first female "president" (like "god" lowercase and quotes a black dude getting up there was cool and smart too) until the announcement, when my sarcasm said: good job!

People are not ideas, ideas don't run themselves; parents* are dictators whether your plan is good or bad... a vote on that escapes logic from vacuums? You do not vote on ideas, change, right, wrong but plenums of few or even masses... no thank you! Maybe you should vote on some"person" who thinks the North Koreans should be "free" now thus uses the nukes again?

*Life is not logic but [B]change[/B], logic is made to change life &irony.?! Sí?

Change does not come from using a broken system but education by dictators so don't stick your tongues in those outlets!!! duuu

LL just pay attention to that part: You do not vote on ideas!(.)

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