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Old 08-19-2016, 08:31 AM   #181
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If you "don't bother to vote," then you have done precisely what The Two-Party System, Inc. would most prefer for you to do.

And if you only voted in an election that was not gerrymandered or out-and-out rigged, you'd never vote at all.

We unfortunately "eagerly embraced" electronic (paperless) voting machines, without thinking-through the reality that people will continue to try to "stuff" ballot-boxes. By removing the paper trail, we made this crime effortless. But a growing number of security experts are now directly calling for a return to paper ... with pre-scanners to detect unreadable or incorrect ballots before they are submitted.

However, I believe that you must be engaged in the political process, "now more than ever before." Even though powerful people are throwing two dis-likeable candidates in front of you, presenting these two people as "the only choice" and HC as "the default of-course why-bother winner," this is not the truth.

As noted, there are four candidates on the national Presidential ballot this year ... and there is a similar situation for what is actually a far more important election: the Senate, and the House. (By design, national power is centralized in the Senate and the House, not in the Oval Office. The President is Commander-in-Chief of the military but otherwise relatively powerless(!).)

If DT ever actually does make it to the White House, he will be confronted with a situation unlike anything he has ever before experienced: a Board of Directors consisting of over 650 people who don't have to listen to him, and who generally won't. The President can only lead by persuasion. (The first President to express great frustration with this arrangement was ... George Washington ... who basically said, "I can get the Army to do anything I want, but the Congress, nothing at all.") I think that DT would be frustrated-as-hell within the first three days, and would remain so for the next four years. The role of President has been described as that of "an internal diplomat."

And imagine how different things would be if Washington, DC realized that it was faced with a very politically-active (and savvy) generation of citizens? "The cat isn't 'away' any more ..." Although the mechanisms of power have been allowed to become very rusty, they still work.

Since the 1990's or so, "powerful corporations" have ruled the roost, systematically tearing-down the linchpins of American society on all fronts while cooing that "private industry always works better than government." They shamelessly bribed everyone, including the Supreme Court (which handed-down a decision that claims to legalize bribery, and another to protect corrupt lawmakers). They said that everything would now be so-much better ... and you're now living in the consequences ... and it's time to take away those car-keys. But this can only happen when the electorate makes itself, directly, a peaceful force to be reckoned with.

Corporate lobbyist walks into a Congressman's office. A citizen volunteer wearing a webcam on his jacket touches a button. Facial-recognition completed. Within fifteen seconds, the message is relayed to 500,000 cell-phones within that Congressman's district. The office telephone comes alive before the gentleman even has a chance to sit down. Is that lobbyist going to stay there? Is that Congressman going to feel enough heat to tell him to leave? With Internet technology, this scenario could be done. Elected leaders could be made to feel that they are spending every day of their lives in a fish-bowl.

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Old 08-19-2016, 12:59 PM   #182
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The only presidential candidate " making my knees knock " is Jill Stein!! She may not have any chance at all of winning; but she has earned my respect and my single vote!! Rumor has it that Ms Clinton has serious health issues; so it appears the entire world will soon have to deal with President Trump!!
 
Old 08-19-2016, 01:23 PM   #183
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Actually, one thing that is coming out of this election is that, this year, there is a great deal of interest in "other" candidates. And, it's about time.

As I said in an earlier post, the historical precedent through most of America's history is that there were many names on the ballot. There were no "primary" elections, and the election process does not call for one. ("Primaries" are only used by political corporations to decide which product to market.)

To my way of thinking, and therefore to my vote, neither candidate that is being offered by "T2PS, Inc." is acceptable. Neither of them is a satisfactory candidate for being the Chief Executive Officer of the United States Government. I also have serious misgivings about both of them in the role of Commander-in-Chief.

And apparently, I am not alone.
... for example.

The first bullet-point link contains a great deal of opinion-poll data. And, the second contains warnings about "a two-party system" by the founders of the country.

If you think that you can simply "buy power," because you've always done so, you could have a surprise waiting for you. These corporations have bought power and now feel so cocksure that they even tried to strike the word "bribery" out of the faded text of the Constitution through a paid-for decision of the Supreme Court. Naturally, the media, which receives "all that cash," isn't going to say otherwise. But, "the times, they are a'changin'," both in the USA and the USE European (dis-)Union.

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Old 08-19-2016, 06:18 PM   #184
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You said it, damned if do or don't! But, me less-so... I vote only on polices and they can see that(.)

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Old 08-20-2016, 11:01 AM   #185
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This is the time when we Britons can feel smug! Strict limits on campaign spending, no gerrymandering, paper ballots, universal voter registration, easy access to polling stations... Serve you lot right for rebelling! But every nation gets what it deserves: we have one poster here who won't vote for Mrs Clinton because one of the conspiracy web-sites he reads has told him she's dying, and another because she used a private server (at least hers wasn't hacked, unlike so many of the government ones).

Having assured myself with my usual astrological checks that Hilary will win, I wanted to put a bet on, but the best odds I could get was 3 to 1 on. Trust the bookies, they usually get it right!
 
Old 08-20-2016, 11:19 AM   #186
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Have people heard about the naked statues of Donald Trump that are appearing all over the US? Someone has a wonderful sense of humour.
 
Old 08-20-2016, 11:40 AM   #187
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Where are the bumper stickers?

On Thursday I saw a Trump bumper sticker on a car. That was the first bumper sticker that I have seen during this election campaign. Up until then my Gary Johnson bumper sticker had the road all to its lonesome.

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Old 08-20-2016, 05:23 PM   #188
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Donald Trump got popular because of his tough stance on terrorism. Nothing more, nothing less.

This alone does not qualify him to be President. And he will not be in my opinion.

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Old 08-20-2016, 11:23 PM   #189
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Have people heard about the naked statues of Donald Trump that are appearing all over the US? Someone has a wonderful sense of humour.
Hazel every day there are many political cartoons on the gocomics website!! Here are some examples:
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Old 08-21-2016, 12:14 AM   #190
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Donald Trump got popular because of his tough stance on terrorism. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well to be fair, that was before it became clear that his understanding of terrorism is at zero.

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Old 08-21-2016, 02:17 PM   #191
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Sorry Hazel, I should have included the URL to gocomics:
http://www.gocomics.com/explore/editorials
 
Old 08-29-2016, 06:29 AM   #192
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Donald Trump got popular because of his tough stance on terrorism. Nothing more, nothing less.

This alone does not qualify him to be President. And he will not be in my opinion.
Don't underestimate the effect of so many new young voters. It is very difficult to gauge how many of those actually believe his image and sales pitch versus how many actually realize he's actually all about the money and self-aggrandizement. I am pretty certain The Koch Boys et al are not about to back Hillary or leave her unopposed. Just look at the Walker fiasco in Wisconsin in which he alienated hundreds of thousands of Republicans who became incredibly active for a serious recall campaign but money still weighed heavily in the 53% vote that kept him and his (unannounced during his campaign) policies afloat. They accomplished that in 1 month. Currently there's more than 2 months for them to "buy a president".

Possibly the best result of this 2016 election might be an end to the 2 party monopoly.
 
Old 08-29-2016, 06:48 AM   #193
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Possibly the best result of this 2016 election might be an end to the 2 party monopoly.
Dream on.
" 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished", but it ain't about to happen.

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Old 08-29-2016, 11:03 AM   #194
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Dream on.
" 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished", but it ain't about to happen.
"How old are you, Tex?"

Beginning with this election, the majority of voters are now ... Millennials, not "children of the sixties."

The only two candidates (sic ...) being offered by The Two-Party System, Inc. are "children of the fifties and sixties." Therefore, they are beneficiaries of the very same social infrastructures health care, college education, "free"ways that, during their fifty years in the halls of power, they presided over dismantling in the name of "internationalization."

They grew up in a time when the Glass-Steagall Act was the law of the land ... when a "title pawn" loanshark was nowhere to be seen ... when 73% of the US Population was not considered to have "bad credit" ... and when a college education did not cost $350,000.00.

Unfortunately for them, the now-majority group of voters are "the people who took it all in the shorts," and it just might be(!) "payback time."

It is actually "a historical 'blip!'" that the reins of power in the United States should be concentrated into "two, and only two," parties. It is an artifact of the last twenty years that corporations were permitted to participate in politics at all. For well over two hundred years, "bribery" was the Felony that the text of the US Constitution says it is. (Article 2, Section 4.) And, so on.

You will never hear "anything but the party line" from a media that is the recipient of "all those mountains of a$h."

... but that same media once proclaimed that Dewey had defeated Truman.
 
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Dream on.
" 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished", but it ain't about to happen.
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"How old are you, Tex?"
Quoting Shakespeare makes me old ???

I more than agree with your statements of facts. But the hope for positive change is a dim prospect. How many of the Millennials understand the subversion of Democracy by the corporations, and how many understand what the loss of Glass-Steagall means, or the repulsive Supreme Court decision in Citizens United ?
 
  


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