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Old 05-24-2024, 10:32 AM   #61
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I would thoroughly enjoy watching the former President debate Biden by video link while he's wearing an orange prison jump suit.
 
Old 05-26-2024, 01:07 PM   #62
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For the Trump haters and FJB lovers.
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Old 05-26-2024, 04:52 PM   #63
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A few words from The Bard might be in order in a story of a mad King.

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Originally Posted by Shakespeare- King Lear
Edgar: I know thee well: a serviceable villain;
As duteous to the vices of thy mistress
As badness would desire.
Gloucester: What, is he dead?
Edgar: Sit ye down, father, rest ye.
 
Old 05-26-2024, 06:38 PM   #64
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Actually the good economy was inherited from Pres Obama and the only thing Trump did was not mess it up to much. His trade deals did not amount to much and did not bring back any jobs. The big tax cuts did actually bump the economy up a bit but then fell flat and actually added to the debt. The Trump budget did have a clause to sell off some of the SPR to pay down debt but was never implemented which is why it basically stayed at the same level. Yes there were wars going on during his term and when has there really ever been real middle east peace. When an actual crisis did happen i.e. Covid19 Trump pretty much fell flat except for having a vaccine out in mass in record time, however there was no real plan on how to distribute it. As far as I know Trump through out the pandemic response guide and anyone involved in forming a response team so we were late to the game and unfortunately the entire world response IMHO fell flat. We may have been lucky this time.
 
Old 05-26-2024, 07:27 PM   #65
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Actually the good economy was inherited from Pres Obama and the only thing Trump did was not mess it up to much. His trade deals did not amount to much and did not bring back any jobs.
I cannot argue with that first sentence. That is largely true.

That "did not amount to much" depends upon if you live in or near farm and ranch land. It closed some of the international markets to our trade, caused bankruptcies, financial disaster and worse. Families lost farms, some farmers committed suicide. That made it a HELLA big deal to those families and communities!
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The big tax cuts did actually bump the economy up a bit but then fell flat and actually added to the debt.
A LOT! They also caused some prices to go up PERMANENTLY! We were trading foods and lumber at fixed rates with Canada, and the new deal more than doubled those rates: both countries suffer for that. Mexico somewhat the same, but different products.

Inflation is actually pretty low in the USA, in sharp contrast with most other first world nations. Some of our Cost Of Living change is not direct inflation, but the causes include corporate profit taking and the increased prices due to the new trade deals. There are other factors as well, but those alone are enough!

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Old 05-26-2024, 08:13 PM   #66
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Considering Trump is rated the worst president of all time I was being to kind.
 
Old 05-26-2024, 08:23 PM   #67
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Considering Trump is rated the worst president of all time I was being to kind.
Actually biden beat out Jimmy Carter for being the worst president of all time. biden now holds that honor. ;-)
 
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Approval rating versus historical rating are not the same.
 
Old 05-26-2024, 09:39 PM   #69
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Approval rating versus historical rating are not the same.
Either way, FJB still sucks!!! About the only thing he is good at!!!
 
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I dearly love old vinyl LPs but the one truly obnoxious thing about them is when they get cracked, they repeat the same little inane section over and over again.
 
Old 05-27-2024, 10:18 AM   #71
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I dearly love old vinyl LPs but the one truly obnoxious thing about them is when they get cracked, they repeat the same little inane section over and over again.
Just like biden supporters.
 
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Just like biden supporters.
Just to be perfectly clear, I am neither a supporter of Biden nor party politics, although admittedly it could be construed that the times I voted Libertarian that was about political party but then it was about issues and trying to make a formal statement to either of the 2 parties that had any chance of ever winning a US election. I have also voted bot Republican and Democratic depending on the candidate and my research on their platform and their voting records.

That said, in the 2024 presidential election if the only choices I have are Biden/Trump I most definitely will be voting for Biden as his record, while far from stellar, is vastly better than Trump's. More, at least I know where Biden stands while I can't trust almost anything Trump says.

I do know what Trump actually stands for by what he has done but it is only rarely what he says and I prefer not having a con artist as supreme leader.
 
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Actually biden beat out Jimmy Carter for being the worst president of all time. biden now holds that honor. ;-)
The consensus among presidential historians seems to disagree with your contention. Please provide evidence to support your claim.
 
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Either way, FJB still sucks!!! About the only thing he is good at!!!
Again, no evidence. And based upon available evidence I disagree.
 
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Re: Party Politics



Just to be perfectly clear, I am neither a supporter of Biden nor party politics, although admittedly it could be construed that the times I voted Libertarian that was about political party but then it was about issues and trying to make a formal statement to either of the 2 parties that had any chance of ever winning a US election. I have also voted bot Republican and Democratic depending on the candidate and my research on their platform and their voting records.

That said, in the 2024 presidential election if the only choices I have are Biden/Trump I most definitely will be voting for Biden as his record, while far from stellar, is vastly better than Trump's. More, at least I know where Biden stands while I can't trust almost anything Trump says.

I do know what Trump actually stands for by what he has done but it is only rarely what he says and I prefer not having a con artist as supreme leader.
Agree. (I know, shocking right?) I often disagree with BOTH major parties, but in these times I cannot support the insurrectionist in chief or anyone who supports him and will take my vote elsewhere. Anything else we can fix later, but we cannot fix Trump or his ending our government in its current form.
 
  


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