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Old 10-17-2016, 02:43 PM   #31
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Yes there are to be four on the ballot and no one knows just how many votes Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are going to get!! Although it is not probable; this election might end up without a " winner " and the politicians would put in " their president "!! I hear more and more people saying that they could never vote for Ms Clinton or Mr. Trump!!

The Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump voters are still angry and not going anywhere; either change or oppression lays ahead for the United States!!
Y'know, to me, that fatalistic final-paragraph is part of their message, and it's a message that I don't believe anymore.

These corporations are spending billions of dollars ... dollars that could have instead been spent (for example) in North Carolina ... in order to above all scream that they represent the only credible choice. They have the power to control all of the propaganda media and "news" that is disseminated anywhere except the Internet, even to the point of essentially removing Hurricane Matthew from everywhere except a bottom-scroll beneath their all-important (to them ...) political hysteria.

But, the facts remain:
  • "You do have a choice."
  • "Yes, your vote does matter."
  • It is entirely possible that neither of these two loud-mouths will win the election. Neither is "entitled to it."
 
Old 10-18-2016, 07:15 AM   #32
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I am not the only one that believes much more hijinks are on the way in the United States!!

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/i...orial-college/
 
Old 10-18-2016, 09:32 AM   #33
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If 300 million people "go nuts-o" with regard to the political process, then yes, law enforcement would have to restore order in order to ensure the collective safety of those millions of people.

But what should happen, instead, is to reject these overtures that invite lawlessness, and instead to participate much more actively in the political process. Let us remember that the entire "US Federal Government" sits in one large conference room each year to hear the State of the Union address. There are less than seven hundred of them ... "a very small convention."

There is no pre-ordained winner to this year's election, no matter how many billions of dollars may be spent by The Two-Party System, Inc. to saturate every available airwave and printed document with the idea that "one of our two 'candidates' must win." You have four names to choose from.

Of course the election system is "rigged," and it is rigged now more than ever. What other reason could there be for purely-electronic voting with no auditability and no paper trail? (If you buy a hamburger and don't get [offered] a receipt, you get a free burger. But not when you vote ...)

But what people may not realize is that it has always been rigged. Lots of dead people voted for Tammany Hall. Homeless people were bussed from one polling place to another, acting on the promise of a hot meal and a warm place to sleep that night. Even today, there is opposition to "voter identification" precisely so that it is impossible to verify the number of votes allegedly cast, or to actually ensure that the same person did not vote multiple times. We shouldn't pretend to be surprised at any of this. An election is a contest for pure power.

But you do not have to resort to violence to change any of these things. If an elected official is confronted by several thousand peaceful, un-armed, but determined people crowding into his or her office and demanding that he or she "go out there on the floor and change things," things will change ... immediately. Want term limits? Impose them. Want to eliminate the electoral college system? Demand it. It will take time, and it's designed to take time, but it will happen.

Anything will happen if enough people demand it, and nothing will happen if enough people don't.

FDR said it best: "I agree with you. Now, make me do it."
 
Old 10-18-2016, 10:27 AM   #34
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The crisis I'm seeing is neither candidate getting 270 electoral votes, which would mean the House of Representatives voting on which candidate becomes President (I looked that scenario up).

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Old 10-18-2016, 12:22 PM   #35
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It has happened, I believe ...

However, I suspect that just one candidate will get a clear plurality of the votes. I'm just not at all convinced that it will be either Clinton nor Trump.
 
Old 10-20-2016, 06:09 AM   #36
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Guys, argue no more, here's the one candidate you should vote for (guaranteed to satisfy both the right and the far right):
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Old 10-20-2016, 06:43 AM   #37
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Any notice at last night's debate that HRC characterized gun ownership as "tradition" and Roe v Wade as a "right"?

Edit: s/characterized/labeled

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Old 10-20-2016, 07:15 AM   #38
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Any notice at last night's debate that HRC characterized gun ownership as "tradition" and Roe v Wade as a "right"?
No. I was waiting for the name calling to escalate to "skuzbucket" and "slut"
and maybe even come to blows. Kinda like the Lucha Libre underground Mexican pro wrestling.

But. You can put a fork in them now. They're done.
 
Old 10-20-2016, 08:07 AM   #39
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No. I was waiting for the name calling to escalate to "skuzbucket" and "slut"
and maybe even come to blows. Kinda like the Lucha Libre underground Mexican pro wrestling.

But. You can put a fork in them now. They're done.
All Presidential debates should open with "You bitch."

Agreed. The only person missing was Jerry Springer.
 
Old 10-20-2016, 08:30 AM   #40
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My favorite:

Quote:
"Hillary is saying in the ninth month; one, two, three, four days before birth you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother."
I think it's called a C-section.
 
Old 10-20-2016, 10:03 AM   #41
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Honestly, what I'm remembering most the next morning is:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Donald Trump
bigly bigly bigly bigly...
 
Old 10-20-2016, 10:55 AM   #42
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Honestly, what I'm remembering most the next morning is:
I 100% hear him saying "big-league". Which is still a dopey thing for a presidential candidate to say, but I heard him say it a few times and absolutely heard this... but I might be mistaken.
 
Old 10-20-2016, 07:07 PM   #43
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I 100% hear him saying "big-league". Which is still a dopey thing for a presidential candidate to say, but I heard him say it a few times and absolutely heard this... but I might be mistaken.
FWIW, the New York Times transcript agrees with you.
 
Old 10-21-2016, 02:57 AM   #44
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It is fetting something like the old SNL skit, is it not?


--- Point/CounterPoint ---
 
Old 10-21-2016, 12:30 PM   #45
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A President Trump intends to put Ms Hillary Clinton into prison for whatever crimes of hers he believes she is guilty of!!

I wonder what a President Clinton will do to Mr. Donald Trump if she is elected the President of these United States?? I wonder if Donald Trump ever wonders what will happen to him if he fails to be made the next President of these United States?? Hmmm....
 
  


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