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Old 04-05-2019, 10:59 AM   #31
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Point is kinda moot now. As usual. Trump back stepped. You know him.
His word is bond.
 
Old 04-05-2019, 03:54 PM   #32
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Point is kinda moot now. As usual. Trump back stepped. You know him.
His word is bond.
Negotiation tactic or higher handlers stepped in. Every President answers to higher ups, and they are not the voters.

PS: Regarding the border shutdown, its been done before, Nixon and Reagan both did it because of drugs.

PSS: As someone living on the border what do you think would help or should be done? I ask this honestly no sarcasm.

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Old 04-05-2019, 06:42 PM   #33
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What would help ?

Lot's of trash on Texas roadways and no cheap help. Grass needs cutting along road ways. This is just local stuff. Imagine nation wide.

Spanish is language in West Texas, Not English. Stand in any crowd or Walmart out here and you will see.

New Mexico is full of hispanics. Western USA is covered in Spanish.

Like I said. Too little, Too Late.

Britain assimilates their immigrants a certain way. We could learn a lesson from them. Notice all speak with english accents when on the news.

I know a few Hispanics with red neck Texan good ol boy accents. I grin everytime they speak. My folks were immigrants . So I can relate to trials and tribulations.

They were not criminals. Not murderers. Not rapists. Not druggies. Like paranoid other USA members look at Hispanics. Funny part is. In my personal world. The hispanic illegal immigrant is just a red neck trump voting human being in disguise. Very conservative thinkers, The illegal immigrant. But they will give you the shirt off their back without a thought, unless you come off as a prickly human being.

And here I am. Supporting them. How ironic is that. Trump looks down on them. That is also ironic. Sure. You can nitpick MS-13 or Vatos Locos getting into the country all day long. Easy enough to spot with the tats though. Nothing mentioned about that. Cuz of selective news reporting. Also nothing mentioned about Lazy govt. workers giving a rubber stamp instead of investigating. Just so and so kid/human being died in a camp from a disease he had across the border. But that is our fault also. Sheesh.



In this day and age with computers, satellites, Blimps on the border with sensors, ground sensors for noise and vibrations, West Texas Republicans like Hurd trying to keep his job with sensational blurb statements on the news about El Paso National emergency from just one visit from him. While I worked in El Paso for years.

It is all just bull pucky. Follow the wall dollars. Follow the patriot act dollars. Feel safer> I don't. Border patrol has a huge budget out here as well as ICE. If I was mean. I could call hotline and make life miserable for good people.

You could buy my ranch in Esperanza for under 50,000 grand. Walking distance to Mexico. 20x40 foot barn building that used to be air force power plant building in White Sands New Mexico. But. Only a illegal would buy my place.
They know how to live in the country. Citified USA born legal Hispanics. Not so much.

Once they reach legal status. That is when the PITA part starts. Just talk with any high school kid in Pecos, WHY?

Pecos was not de-segregated till the 1980's. Lot's of local hate still exist over that. Typical trump type Texan move. You think Hispanics are immune to pre-conceived ways people look at them. How would you feel is a good indicator.

PS. I am white. Notice the Reagan shutdown fixed the drug thing? While CIA flew in guns for drugs and dumped them on compton in California L.A. area. Like I said. Just more bull pucky.

China aint no angel either though, ask any Muslim or other non state approved group there. Class anyone? We will re-educate you. Or worse. Maybe deport you back to North Korea. So careful when throwing stones.

Times like these. I think of my grand kids. But like I said. The point is moot for the present. I guess Hurds message fell on deaf ears.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/politic...laims-el-paso/
 
Old 04-05-2019, 07:35 PM   #34
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I feel that I'm middle class in American. Let's not talk about the many honest hardworking folks trying to enter the US. We don't even have to talk about the hundreds of criminals that enter each day. Let's talk about the two things that really are the heart of this issue.

One is labor pool. There is a huge amount of small businesses that profit greatly by hiring illegal's. No benefits, no labor demands, no stock sharing, no health benefits. Just profit for the crooks that hire these folks. Sure they are crooks. They are the demand side.

Next is the social toll on limited resources. Billions of dollars are offered to these workers by government programs. These dollars could be used for Americans you'd think.

So, what happens is you get crooked employers cheating the taxpayers by shifting their responsibility to the government.

To be exact however. Everyone that cries about "the border should be open" also locks their doors at night. I'd challenge you to go up to Beto and AOC's door and test that. I suppose they have guards so you'd never get to their door.

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Old 04-05-2019, 09:49 PM   #35
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Just to be clear: my point in post #21 was that; if Trump supporters are going to carry on about "free speech", then others that disagree also have every right to offer their thoughts as well... even if they disagree with something Trump says/does/has done, and/or the thoughts of Trump supporters.
Dude no one is attacking free speech, you can say whatever you want but that doesn't always mean you should.. E.g. would you call your neighbour a racist? For all you know he could be a Trump supporter.. I know you didn't say that but it seems like your defending such comments, and I think that is indefensible.

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Regarding Trump being a racist; when he has said things like "their bringing drugs, their bringing crime", etc, which in that case he was clearly talking about Mexicans, then these comments are, to many people racist comments, that smears an entire country of people, which simply isn't fair nor right.
It's funny everyone who calls Trump a racist always cites that. But I remember watching that speech (I think live on YouTube) and I thinking nothing of it at the time.. But then low and behold the media reports on it and takes it completely out of context. I bet you didn't actually watch the speech but instead heard it from the media. It's the same thing they they did with those teenagers who were wearing Trump hats, who they tried to say got in the face the of the native American guy, when in fact it was the native American who went up to them looking for trouble.

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The reality (if Trump supporters are even interested in such things of course) is that many of the Mexicans crossing the US southern border have family that are already in the US. As a human being, it's hard to blame them for wanting to see and be with their family.
Im sorry but America first... You should not simply be able to become a U.S. citizen and take advantage of all the benefits that come with it, just cause you have some cousin who lives here.. Especially when there are immigrants who respect this country by going the proper procedures in what it takes to become a citizen.. How disrespectful is that to them when you allow illegals to cut in line like that.. Mexicans from Mexico feel the same way about the immigrants from Central America breaking into their country. Are they also racist?

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Also, if it's "crisis" now, then it has always been a "crisis", so pretty funny how it was only declared a "crisis" when Trump didn't get his own way...
I like how you echo the media by saying things like "his wall" or "his way"... You should realize "his way" is really the way of millions of Americans who elected him into office to represent them.. This is why Democrats lost the election (no its not cause the Russians) but its cause they underestimated just how many people support him (remember the silent majority?).. And yes it has always been a crisis, but since the Democrats refused to cooperate he was forced to use an executive order (you obviously aren't paying attention to politics)..

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As you quite correctly point out, when the US immigration system is broken, then no "border wall" nor closing the border altogether is going to solve that. But yet these trump supporters are more interested in defending their beloved president instead of looking at the bigger picture. And indeed, defending the
indefensible, which is even worse.
U.S. border agents say themselves a border will help them.. But I dont think its in-all-end-all solution, I believe in layered-security, e.g. 1) an outer wall and an inner wall 2) technology to detect tunnels 3) and perhaps drones...

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Not sure how shutting down the border will fix anything... Just my random thoughts.
Yeah you're right it was just a bluff, he's post-poning this issue till next year... And I think I know why... So he can run on it in 2020.. But if he did shutdown the border I think Mexico would blink first as it would hurt them more.

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Old 04-05-2019, 10:19 PM   #36
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The hispanic illegal immigrant is just a red neck trump voting human being in disguise. Very conservative thinkers, The illegal immigrant.
Lol I heard so-called "moderates" say that before and it's total BS.. I actually know illeagals and their Bernie supporters... And I know their not bad people, if I was in their position I would do the same thing... I dont blame them, I blame our governement..

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Old 04-05-2019, 10:20 PM   #37
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I see no social services serving illegals Knowingly down here.
They are reported to ICE instead,


How do I know. I hafta show my green card when renewing my Texas driver licence.

Locking doors. Only thing stolen in Pecos was a lawn mower handle < probably not a illegal > and car stereo.

Car stereo stole by the high school kids I hired to help me build my shop. American citizens also.

My 67 F100 stolen in Elapso was by USA citizen painters touching up my new place.
stripped and burnt for parts .

My 2 boys stole my 67 Nova and left it in Mexico. Not one illegal any of this.
My ranch on the rio grande has been abandoned for years.

Checked on it about a month ago. Still there. You cant presume to walk in my shoes unless you locate and live here for years, I sleep with my doors unlocked.
Truck is unlocked.
Shop and fence stay unlocked.
But , I rescue dogs.

Try that. Or not. I'd roll like that in Down Town whatever. Illegals or what ever. I'd be more nervous in Gummo land, than here.

From a guy that motorcycles from West Texas to the east coast every summer for the past 3 years. This summer. I am staying West.
 
Old 04-05-2019, 11:15 PM   #38
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'I heard so-called "moderates" say that before and it's total BS'

Notice the leftist extremist new strategy.Mark it well.

It's a 'pre strike' against compromise.Demonizing moderates.

Either from the left willing to talk with the right or vice versa.

A far left against far right with gridlock benefits the extremist left.

Their ultimate goal is failure of the US system.

The old revolutionary strategy.Get the current system to fail.

People will turn to Socialism.
 
Old 04-06-2019, 12:59 AM   #39
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'ďWhether itís asylum, whether itís anything you want, itís illegal immigration, canít take you anymore. Our country is full, our area is full, the sector is full, canít take you anymore. Iím sorry, canít happen, so turn around -- thatís the way it is,Ē'

That was Trump president at the border TODAY.

After backing away from the brink yesterday couldn't he just stay home?

That is not great oratory there.It barely makes sense.You get the drift of it but it DOES NOT

sound like a bright person talking.Falls a ways short of being presidential.

Well kids.He is going to LOS ANGELES where cheering crowds will be waiting to greet him!

That is enemy territory for him.

Plus.He is going to speak in front of Jewish people.Probably well off older Jewish people so

it should not be as rocky as it sounds for him.

If he makes a gaff and THEY get mad at him that means he really messed up.

Never mind the hair trigger media and rabid Dem's who will start screaming at the hint of

anything.
 
Old 04-06-2019, 01:22 AM   #40
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thanks for this, all of it.

...and this.

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and this, too.

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Old 04-06-2019, 02:11 AM   #41
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Lol I heard so-called "moderates" say that before and it's total BS
It's your option, but you'd do well not to dismiss Rokytnji so casually. It's not that he's an authority, it's that he's one of more reasonable, patient, intelligent, decent people you'll meet online-- for years at a time.

You certainly don't have to agree with him either, but there are some people who are so decent that if you give them less than even average due, it just looks bad. Advice, not a rule-- it's your option.

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It's a 'pre strike' against compromise.
While the left is making me increasingly moderate, to the point where I can't fault someone for thinking I'm right-leaning (I'm watching Ben Shapiro on Joe Rogan's podcast-- I'm a big fan of the latter, it's a good one too, #1276) It has to be pointed out that the person you're commenting on is a Trump supporter.

Now I didn't support Trump in 2016, I supported NOT-Hillary. So Bernie was acceptable, so was Jill Stein (Note I didn't think Sanders would get very far even if he won, so I wasn't concerned he would turn America into a socialist paradise/dystopia anymore than I'm concerned that Trump will usher in the 4th Reich) but Trump was honestly a relief when it bizarrely came down to him or her.

They both claimed to be against TPP, but the fact that Hillary ever supported it was enough reason to find her suspect. Hillary flip-flops a lot, remember her comments about Mexicans and her support for the wall? I used to think of moderates as do-nothings. They seem very sane these days, when the country is getting crazy.

But to blame Trump for that, no, it was getting pretty crazy before he ran. After he got in, people stopped drawing lines from crazy to any of its causes, and just redrew them all to him. Hey people, now we've got a cause for every problem!

Same when Bush jr. got in. I still think he was the worst president of all time, I'm against the Patriot Act, it took his administration to get it passed-- he can be held accountable for letting it happen. When he was in office though, I attributed a number of things I thought were bad to him-- when in fact they were Clinton-era. Again, I'm not saying let's let the worst president in history (W) off the hook for what I think amounts to stealing the country and selling it off-- but let's not let the other side off the hook for having just as much to do with it.

The worst things that happen, happen when every problem is attributed to a single cause. Real life isn't like that, no matter which "side" you're on-- but the worst politics are a lot like that. The left is doing quite a lot of what you claim, but in this particular example-- the person is not on the left.

I no longer think of moderates as lukewarm or lazy-- I think of them as "in the middle" i.e. moderating the partisan insanity, not just seeking false compromises. Though I identified more with the left when I did think they were lukewarm.

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Old 04-06-2019, 08:36 AM   #42
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He is going to speak in front of Jewish people.Probably well off older Jewish people so

it should not be as rocky as it sounds for him.

If he makes a gaff and THEY get mad at him that means he really messed up.

Keep digging.

You've already covered "Middle America sore heads".
 
Old 04-06-2019, 08:39 PM   #43
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@young_jedi,

* You didn't really understand my post to begin with.
* I look at what the person in question is saying/doing, not what others say.
* I don't let the mainstream media dictate what my thoughts are or aren't - I decide that for myself based on what the person in question says/does.
* My political views are not left or right, they would be more middle than anything else. I don't trust ANY of the major parties where I live - left or right.
* While I never thought anyone could ever be less intelligent than George Bush Jr, Trump has very much changed that.
* The only reason I even saw what your post #35 even said was because I wasn't logged in at the time of reading it, as I already put you on my Ignore List before this thread was even started. Therefore I'm not even going to dignify any more of your post (or any further posts from you) with a response. As the following is all I see in place of your posts;

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This message is hidden because young_jedi is on your ignore list.
Maybe Trump will write a book for you to read called "the art of lying" ...
 
Old 04-06-2019, 09:37 PM   #44
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It's your option, but you'd do well not to dismiss Rokytnji so casually. It's not that he's an authority, it's that he's one of more reasonable, patient, intelligent, decent people you'll meet online-- for years at a time.

You certainly don't have to agree with him either, but there are some people who are so decent that if you give them less than even average due, it just looks bad. Advice, not a rule-- it's your option.
What he said was factually wrong, im just simply pointing that out.

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I no longer think of moderates as lukewarm or lazy-- I think of them as "in the middle" i.e. moderating the partisan insanity, not just seeking false compromises. Though I identified more with the left when I did think they were lukewarm.
There are snakeoil moderates who pretend to be these level-headed people you speak of, but their actually leftists and it shows... And there's no point in being a moderate.. There's only winners and loosers in this world, and it's the winners who write history.. You cant the change the world by sitting in between and doing nothing.. But that just my opinion..

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What he said was factually wrong, im just simply pointing that out.
It's a claim, I don't think you provided any evidence for or against fact-hood.

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there's no point in being a moderate.. There's only winners and loosers in this world, and it's the winners who write history.. You cant change the change the world by doing nothing
You can't change the world by fully endorsing either side of a rigged system either. It's "winning" on paper, but in reality it's more like giving in to the status quo.

Great people don't simply give in. These days, people who don't simply give into the status quo are either called "moderate" or "fringe." So tell me what you think "winning" is-- picking the bigger side that tells you what to do? How does that change anything?
 
  


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