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Old 04-03-2019, 04:21 PM   #16
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Are we gonna close the Canadian border also?

Naw. They are white.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 06:55 PM   #17
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I doubt it... it's not much more in fact than populist rhetoric to appease the racists, xenophobes and of course the
various fascists, white supremacists and neo Nazis who helped put him in office.
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I had no idea there were enough ultra-conservative right-wing nazis to elect this monster to office.
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Are we gonna close the Canadian border also?
Naw. They are white.
Lol look how full of hate you guys are, there's simply no reasoning with liberals who are absolutely convinced that anyone who supports Trump or a border wall must be a racist.. I'm Mexican/American and I can tell you im not a racist! There's no reason to close the Canadian border cause there's no drug cartels there... You guys are all operating on emotion alone, NOT logic. The media (CNN, CNN international, etc) creates entire classes of victims and gets you guys to emotionally react to it... Stop falling for it...

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Lot of people around the world will be watching that to see

how the President treats regular people.

He already in my opinion has used up his 'making hard on

people in general' with the government closure.

A closure at the border would make him look uncaring and

out of touch with everyday life.

The tough talk about immigration is arguable.I am sure he

believes in what he is doing but you can't make hard

changes in huge numbers of peoples lives just to make a

point.


Not very good for the peoples confidence in him.
I trust the president to outweigh the pros vs the cons.. The cons are that at least 2 billion dollers come through the border down by San Diego everyday, as SD's largest import's from Tijuana are beer and avacados.. That's alot of money... But then again we can't have thousands of undocumented immigrants ILLEGALLY crossing the border without us first vetting who they are, as that becomes a national security risk..

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Old 04-03-2019, 07:40 PM   #18
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Old 04-03-2019, 07:44 PM   #19
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Not a liberal and I don't appreciate being called one by someone that didn't understand my posts or automatically assumes that if I don't like trump I am a liberal. I am also not a racist. Not full of hate, just completely disgusted by the individual that was elected as president. I am entitled to an opinion, just as you are.
I would like to say fair enough, but your previous post assumes im a "ultra-conservative right-wing nazi".. But it's whatever, I
dont get offended on things I know aren't true..

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Old 04-03-2019, 07:55 PM   #20
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If middle america sore heads want their wives to go back to washing and drying clothes by hand go for it.
Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?


Why don't you tell me what you have over the people in Middle America? I'm just a dumb hick from the Midwest so I'm ignorant of such things. Please go into as much detail as possible so hopefully I'll be able to comprehend it.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 08:03 PM   #21
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Not a liberal and I don't appreciate being called one by someone that didn't understand my posts or automatically assumes that if I don't like trump I am a liberal. I am also not a racist. Not full of hate, just completely disgusted by the individual that was elected as president. I am entitled to an opinion, just as you are.
No you're not, didn't you know, you're "fake news".

These Trump supporters are a funny bunch, they demand "free speech", yet when confronted with their own bullshit, they cannot handle it one little bit...

But demand "free speech" ...
 
Old 04-03-2019, 09:24 PM   #22
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The cons are that at least 2 billion dollars come through the border down by San Diego everyday, as SD's largest import's from Tijuana are beer and avocados..
I believe the busiest port is Laredo and the largest import is automobile parts. In a matter of a week or so the US automobile manufacturing industry would be just about shutdown.

For decades the Immigration "catch and release program" would let families legally live in the US until their case came up in court which could take years. Obviously they would get "lost" and never show up for court. While the President has shut down that process, now all the families are being detained at the border which has created part of the current crisis. It is also obvious the immigration process is broken regardless of how many illegal crossings happened last month. There are thousands of people wanting to enter the US under the asylum rule. I assume asylum seekers are being misled and do not understand the new "rules" which is causing the crisis and that ICE or whomever have no idea how to detain or handle the large number of people which is causing more problems. Although now they are being turned back and forced to stay in Mexico which has its own problems and causing the increase in the number of illegal crossings. In addition asylum seekers can actually enter the US without going through a fence and the border patrol must take them into custody. Not sure how shutting down the border will fix anything... Just my random thoughts.

And lets keep the language civil.

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Old 04-03-2019, 10:18 PM   #23
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'you are interpreting a LOT of stuff into my short remark.
it has NOTHING to do with what i meant, but somehow i still feel flattered...
thanks!

and it seems we both are hopeful that mr trump will start some real thinking eventually!
i'll settle for that!

PS: still not capitalizing '

You're welcome.Saw this first thing this morning in email forum reply alert.

14 hours later I get time to respond.Yikes!

Thank you.Nice argumentative reply.

Let me think on something substansive to add.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 11:34 PM   #24
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...
And lets keep the language civil.
Just to be clear: my point in post #21 was that; if Trump supporters are going to carry on about "free speech", then others that disagree also have every right to offer their thoughts as well... even if they disagree with something Trump says/does/has done, and/or the thoughts of Trump supporters.

Regarding Trump being a racist; when he has said things like "their bringing drugs, their bringing crime", etc, which in that case he was clearly talking about Mexicans, then these comments are, to many people racist comments, that smears an entire country of people, which simply isn't fair nor right. So it's most certainly NOT just because he wants to build HIS "wall". The reality (if Trump supporters are even interested in such things of course) is that many of the Mexicans crossing the US southern border have family that are already in the US. As a human being, it's hard to blame them for wanting to see and be with their family. Also, if it's "crisis" now, then it has always been a "crisis", so pretty funny how it was only declared a "crisis" when Trump didn't get his own way...

As you quite correctly point out, when the US immigration system is broken, then no "border wall" nor closing the border altogether is going to solve that. But yet these trump supporters are more interested in defending their beloved president instead of looking at the bigger picture. And indeed, defending the indefensible, which is even worse.
 
Old 04-04-2019, 01:31 AM   #25
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Good points JSB(figure that's what it means)

Let me attempt to fix up this post for a better start tomorrow morning.

Here is Wikipedia article on Debating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate

I titled this post wrong.Opened the door for president Trump comments.

Should be 'Border should be closed' or 'Is Closing the Border a Good Idea?.

'Border should be closed/not closed.' better.

Then there is a Pro and Con side.

Putting it that way I say no the border should not be closed.

Reasons? Does not address what the president says it will fix.

It just creates suffering.Human suffering.That is not what the United States is about.

We are supposed to be on the other side.Preventing human suffering.

Good night!
 
Old 04-04-2019, 01:55 AM   #26
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+1
we've been discussing this aspect (among others) at length in some previous thread that was more on topic.
honestly, i can't muster the energy to get into a reasonable discussion about this one more time.

@everyone: go read those previous threads. some good stuff there.

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Are we gonna close the Canadian border also?
Naw. They are white.
oh, but they did!
 
Old 04-04-2019, 02:39 AM   #27
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A closure at the border would make him look uncaring and

out of touch with everyday life.
I think it's too late for that; the whole world already sees him as a uncaring and out of touch with everything (especially, reality ).
 
Old 04-04-2019, 02:49 AM   #28
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Lol look how full of hate you guys are, there's simply no reasoning with liberals who are absolutely convinced that anyone who supports Trump or a border wall must be a racist.. I'm Mexican/American and I can tell you im not a racist! There's no reason to close the Canadian border cause there's no drug cartels there... You guys are all operating on emotion alone, NOT logic. The media (CNN, CNN international, etc) creates entire classes of victims and gets you guys to emotionally react to it... Stop falling for it...



I trust the president to outweigh the pros vs the cons.. The cons are that at least 2 billion dollers come through the border down by San Diego everyday, as SD's largest import's from Tijuana are beer and avacados.. That's alot of money... But then again we can't have thousands of undocumented immigrants ILLEGALLY crossing the border without us first vetting who they are, as that becomes a national security risk..
Hmm, what a coincidence, I'm also of mixed descent (as they write in bureaucratic documents). BTW, I'm a fisherman, I sell my products on the border between Australia and Greenland. Sorry if I get the country names wrong, I was never good with Geography at school .

Edit: Post corrected for clarity.

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Old 04-04-2019, 02:13 PM   #29
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Good points JSB(figure that's what it means)

Let me attempt to fix up this post for a better start tomorrow morning.

Here is Wikipedia article on Debating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate
All that legal lingo makes my head spin...


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If middle america sore heads want their wives to go back to washing and drying clothes by hand go for it.
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Why don't you tell me what you have over the people in Middle America? I'm just a dumb hick from the Midwest so I'm ignorant of such things. Please go into as much detail as possible so hopefully I'll be able to comprehend it.
Present your case, Counselor.
 
Old 04-05-2019, 05:43 AM   #30
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Hmm, what a coincidence, I'm also of mixed descent (as they write in bureaucratic documents). BTW, I'm a fisherman, I sell my products on the border between Australia and Greenland. Sorry if I get the country names wrong, I was never good with Geography at school .

Edit: Post corrected for clarity.
Hmm, I'm seeing some stupid comments about romantic electrical towers on some fRee social media. I think it's definitely time to find more global/interplanetary/interstellar/intergalatical authorities to take my products to...
 
  


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