Possible evidence of time travel...

jiml8 · 10-30-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H

To me that is proof that the "laws of physics" are wrong.

You are very tiresome. Solipsist.

H_TeXMeX_H · 10-30-2010, 12:02 PM

Quantum physics is BS. Actually one thing Einstein got right was that time travel is not possible.

There are 3 dimensions because these are the minimum number of dimensions needed to describe an object in the universe, and thus humans define 3 dimensions. I don't understand why some (crazy) physicists keep "looking" for other dimensions, just define them if you need them...

MTK358 · 10-30-2010, 12:18 PM

Isn't it possible that they could have predicted that there could exist wireless phones? That seems perfectly feasible to me.

ProtoformX · 10-30-2010, 12:18 PM

It's a Siemens old school hearing aid also known as a 'Carbon Aid' hearing aid.

http://www.hearingaidmuseum.com/gall...siemens304.htm

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H

Quantum physics is BS. Actually one thing Einstein got right was that time travel is not possible.

There are 3 dimensions because these are the minimum number of dimensions needed to describe an object in the universe, and thus humans define 3 dimensions. I don't understand why some (crazy) physicists keep "looking" for other dimensions, just define them if you need them...

Because just because we see 3 dimensions doesn't mean there aren't more... Our eyes can only see 23bit color, but we know 100% sure there are more then that, with help from devices we can see 'invisible' to the human eye colors. Dogs can only see black and white, to them there are a few shades and that's it, but does that mean color doesn't not exist? certainly not.

Einstein thought time travel was not possible because he also believed achieving speeds faster then light was impossible, according to him time travel would only be possible if you could go faster then the speed of light, and that idea was insane to him.

We may use time as a unit of measure, but who says were doing anything right?
Just because things seem to work for a few instances doesn't mean how we have done them is right.
I have thought about this before... and I think there are serveal trillions of billions of alternate realitys, think about it, for every choice in life you make a new alternate realitys are born. What if you were bullied in school when you were younger... you have a few options, fight back, be a bitch, or possible ignore them. but would you ever wonder how your life would turn out if you did the exact oppisite of that you did back then? everything around you would be changed... so to me it is logical to say yes a way to time travel because if you can make something happen and it is recored by you and others, then there has to be a way to manipulate or change that data. Nothing in this universe is forever, nothing in this universe is completely static so time will not be either.

H_TeXMeX_H · 10-30-2010, 01:44 PM

Right ... so we should try to define 4 or 5 or 6 dimensions and see how it goes ? Well, go ahead, I'm not stopping you. But remember, that you do not "discover" new dimensions, you define them and see if it matches reality. I personally think 3 is just fine.

Alternate realities ... bah. Alternate possibilities ... yes. Yet, only once choice is made from the many. I could have turned out differently, but I didn't, and really it doesn't matter, because the past does not exist, nor does the future.

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If you wanted, you could "time travel" into the future ... put yourself in cryostasis and you will instantly wake up in the future ... or never wake up. Really, that's because you perceive time while your brain is functioning. It has a timer, which is the rate at which you input data, and this is the rate at which you perceive time. A cockroach is said to process data 4x faster than a human, so for it, time is perceived 4x slower.

MTK358 · 10-30-2010, 02:55 PM

@ProtoformX

Dogs aren't colorblind, they actually see 2 colors (but still unlike humans, who see 3).

@H_TeXMeX_H

Just because our brains can only understand 3 dimensions doesn't mean that there can't be a world with less or more.

When to think about it, in a computer-generated world, collision detection algorithms and such can be scaled easily from 2D to 3D, just add variables and tests for the third dimension. Why not add a 4th dimension, or even a 5th?

That made me think, if it's possible to approximate 3D on a 2D screen, is it possible to somehow visualize 4D space?

H_TeXMeX_H · 10-30-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK358

That made me think, if it's possible to approximate 3D on a 2D screen, is it possible to somehow visualize 4D space?

Probably like the 4D graphs, basically the color stands for an extra dimension ...

I'm wondering why they don't define say temperature as a 4th dimension, or color.

I think it's because we are considering a unit particle, and that may not have a color or temperature ... so 3 would be the most you can have anyway.

MTK358 · 10-30-2010, 03:36 PM

I don't think color could represent the 4th dimension because an object can only be one color but it can have a "width" in the 4th dimension, its 4th dimention isn't infinitely thin.

MrCode · 10-30-2010, 10:08 PM

At the risk of furthering my existential misery, I feel I ought to say the following:

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Originally Posted by ProtoformX

think about it, for every choice in life you make a new alternate realitys are born.

The only problem I have with this is...where do you define a "choice"? Is it only when you make a conscious decision? Is it when anything happens where the events involve chance?

Not only that, but what if there are no "other possibilities"? Have you ever considered that?

(Just a note: from here on out, I'll try to refrain from posting in /General as much as I do...I need to contribute more to the actual technical forums if I'm going to be posting here, so don't be surprised if you don't see an immediate response from me to whatever counter-arguments you may make about my statements.)

Kenny_Strawn · 10-30-2010, 11:04 PM

This does sound really interesting. Who knows, maybe one of us may end up being the one to invent a time travel device in the future!

Here's what I suspect: Ever heard the thing known as a "wormhole"? Even though its concept may be a little bit far fetched, here's my theory:

Even though technically a "black hole" is just a really *DENSE* star that has so much gravity that it causes its own light to fall, what if two black holes of equal size and mass clash into each other? The dense points inside the black holes will destroy each other when they collide, leaving the warped space-time behind. The result is a space-time warp with no dense point -- a wormhole. Hopefully someone here can prove this theory.

Amdx2_x64 · 10-30-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ProtoformX

It's a Siemens old school hearing aid also known as a 'Carbon Aid' hearing aid.

http://www.hearingaidmuseum.com/gall...siemens304.htm

Because just because we see 3 dimensions doesn't mean there aren't more... Our eyes can only see 23bit color, but we know 100% sure there are more then that, with help from devices we can see 'invisible' to the human eye colors. Dogs can only see black and white, to them there are a few shades and that's it, but does that mean color doesn't not exist? certainly not.

Einstein thought time travel was not possible because he also believed achieving speeds faster then light was impossible, according to him time travel would only be possible if you could go faster then the speed of light, and that idea was insane to him.

We may use time as a unit of measure, but who says were doing anything right?
Just because things seem to work for a few instances doesn't mean how we have done them is right.
I have thought about this before... and I think there are serveal trillions of billions of alternate realitys, think about it, for every choice in life you make a new alternate realitys are born. What if you were bullied in school when you were younger... you have a few options, fight back, be a bitch, or possible ignore them. but would you ever wonder how your life would turn out if you did the exact oppisite of that you did back then? everything around you would be changed... so to me it is logical to say yes a way to time travel because if you can make something happen and it is recored by you and others, then there has to be a way to manipulate or change that data. Nothing in this universe is forever, nothing in this universe is completely static so time will not be either.

I was going to say it was a hearing aide as well. You beat me to it, lol.

Time travel is a fun story. But honestly I can't see it being real. Time is a measurement only. We are at the same exact moment since the beginning. Things have just moved outward, aged, etc. Time in the sense of Time Travel could never exist the way some believe. Now if you will excuse me I feel like watching some Doctor Who. It really is a fun story

TobiSGD · 10-31-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn

This does sound really interesting. Who knows, maybe one of us may end up being the one to invent a time travel device in the future!

And hopefully it will run with Linux!

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The dense points inside the black holes will destroy each other when they collide, leaving the warped space-time behind. The result is a space-time warp with no dense point -- a wormhole.

Sorry, but if two great masses crash together, you will have an even bigger mass, they will not annihilate themselves.

ProtoformX · 10-31-2010, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MrCode

At the risk of furthering my existential misery, I feel I ought to say the following:

The only problem I have with this is...where do you define a "choice"? Is it only when you make a conscious decision? Is it when anything happens where the events involve chance?

Not only that, but what if there are no "other possibilities"? Have you ever considered that?

A choice is a choice, doesn't matter if you are aware of making it or not, and there are always other possibility's. If there weren't then there would be only one way to do anything, and that is simply not true.

chance and choice go hand and hand, you choose a choice by either knowing you have a chance or not, you make a radical choice when 'maybe' comes into the picture, because you are not sure of what will happen or what the answer is, but you still make choices on what you know or don't know, so yes chance is a part of this.

When we are born nature makes all the choices, your mother could have blue eyes and your father have green eyes, it doesnt mean you will get either, one of your grandparents could have brown eyes and you happen to have browneyes... who says in a differnt reality you dont have blue eyes or green eyes?

No one knows because no one has a way to enter another reality, until you could time travel back to were that reality starts and alter it by making a choice that was different then from before...

vendtagain · 10-31-2010, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H

I personally think 3 is just fine.

Why does there have to be 3 dimensions? it feels too squarish. It is useful for some things, but is not really an accurate way of measuring reality. If you think about everything being relative to a center point, then there is only circling at the same radius from the center, and moving further and closer to the center, only two 'planes' of movement.

The atoms, planets, solar systems, galaxies, they all have gravity pulling towards the center, and have none of the flat abstract planes inherent in the 3D concept of reality. A 3D point can't even accurately measure a point after it is rotated about another point, it can only estimate it, like Pie.

So getting back to the topic of time travel, how can a system that cannot accurately measure the space in front of our eyes be used for time travel? Time is measurable, and can be seen as something away from us that moves closer and further away (like space). It has some qualities similar to space, but is much different and should not be grouped in with spacial dimensions (should not be called the 4th dimension).

Jeebizz · 10-31-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn

This does sound really interesting. Who knows, maybe one of us may end up being the one to invent a time travel device in the future!

Here's what I suspect: Ever heard the thing known as a "wormhole"? Even though its concept may be a little bit far fetched, here's my theory:

Even though technically a "black hole" is just a really *DENSE* star that has so much gravity that it causes its own light to fall, what if two black holes of equal size and mass clash into each other? The dense points inside the black holes will destroy each other when they collide, leaving the warped space-time behind. The result is a space-time warp with no dense point -- a wormhole. Hopefully someone here can prove this theory.

The problem with wormholes besides requiring untold amounts of energy to open one, is that you really don't know what is in the other side. You can theorize that your wormhole will take you to your intended point in space and time, but just because you have 'opened' a wormhole, doesn't mean you are going to end up at that point of time and place.

For all you know you could either end up at the exact same time, only you are billions of light years away from your original start point, then what? Also what if you are able to open the wormhole one time? Then you're stuck there! Wormholes more or less are like wildcards.

Black holes are fascinating, and although those working in theoretical physics surmised that there is no escaping a black hole, Hawking did have some counter theories to a lot of things; The Information Paradox, Hawking Radiation, etc.