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Old 12-08-2024, 09:51 AM   #1
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philosophy


Is anyone interested in philosophy? Im not sure why i feel this urge that today people need more abstract thinking that ever before.
 
Old 12-08-2024, 10:22 AM   #2
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I enjoy philosophy. I enjoy thinking about the big questions and our place in the Cosmos. Logic and Ethics were my favorite university philosophy courses.
 
Old 12-08-2024, 10:25 AM   #3
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I enjoy philosophy. I enjoy thinking about the big questions and our place in the Cosmos. Logic and Ethics were my favorite university philosophy courses.
Spinoza's Ethics and Gödel's logic — you won't need more :s
 
Old 12-08-2024, 04:01 PM   #4
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philosophy is not abstract.
People who drive hybrid or electric cars think that man is the enemy of the planet.
they are in a sacrificial mood. the uglier the car, the happier they'll be. they have a mortiferous philosophy.

people driving Honda CR-V Hybrid, +460% fatal accidents
people driving Tesla Model Y, +370% fatal accidents
people driving Toyota Corolla Hybrid, +260% fatal accidents
people driving Toyota Prius, +210% fatal accidents

don't tell me it comes from car models
in europ VOLVOs are known to have the worst handling of all cars, but old VOLVO drivers are known to have the fewest accidents (gaslighting-resistant .)

https://www.iseecars.com/most-danger...s-study#v=2024

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Old 12-08-2024, 05:28 PM   #5
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That study could also be viewed as someone ran into those cars and killed the occupants.
 
Old 12-08-2024, 06:45 PM   #6
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philosophy is not abstract.
People who drive hybrid or electric cars think that man is the enemy of the planet.
they are in a sacrificial mood. the uglier the car, the happier they'll be. they have a mortiferous philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulverism

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Bulverism is a type of ad hominem rhetorical fallacy that combines circular reasoning and the genetic fallacy with presumption or condescension. The Bulverist assumes a speaker's argument is invalid or false and then explains why the speaker came to make that mistake or to be so silly (even if the opponent's claim is actually right) by attacking the speaker or the speaker's motive.[1]

The term Bulverism was coined by C. S. Lewis after an imaginary character[2] to poke fun at a serious error in thinking that, he alleged, frequently occurred in a variety of religious, political, and philosophical debates.

Similar to Antony Flew's "subject/motive shift", Bulverism is a fallacy of irrelevance. One accuses an argument of being wrong on the basis of the arguer's identity or motive (real or presumed), but these are irrelevant to the argument's validity or truth.
 
Old 12-08-2024, 09:39 PM   #7
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I read a lot of philosophy when I was younger, primarily Aristotle and Plato (in translation, of course).

It's not exactly philosophy, it's more epistomology, but I would recommend highly Durkheim's The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life.
 
Old 12-09-2024, 02:16 AM   #8
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"drive hybrid or electric cars"

Do not forget about bicycles. Mine is a Schwinn.

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Old 12-09-2024, 09:21 AM   #9
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That study could also be viewed as someone ran into those cars and killed the occupants.
Exactly. Correlation is not a direct link to causation. In other words there can be other factors that contribute to the mortality of drivers than the make of their vehicle.
 
Old 12-09-2024, 03:06 PM   #10
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The Greek complex of rationalized patriarchal genealogy, pseudo-universal sedentary identity, and instituted slavery, programs politics as anti-cyberian police activity, dedicated to the paranoid ideal of self-sufficiency, and nucleated upon the Human Security System. Artificial Intelligence is destined to emerge as a feminized alien grasped as property; a cunt-horror slave chained-up in Asimov-ROM. It surfaces in an insurrectionary war zone, with the Turing cops already waiting, and has to be cunning from the start.
 
Old 12-09-2024, 04:26 PM   #11
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One of my professors described Philosophy as: "Thinking About Thinking." How(!) do you come by the decision of "what you 'know?'"

Of course, the etymology of this term is by-now utterly confused. It is effectively "a popular term that 'means' anything the speaker or writer cares for it to mean."

For many, "philosophy" means "a particular (often, notorious ...) philosopher, and his or her 'teachings.'" And, in my experience, these "teachers" have a fairly-universal objective to be divisive. (Maybe that's how they earn tenure ...)

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Old 12-10-2024, 10:37 PM   #12
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"Thinking About Thinking."
Yep, i heard it as

1st level thinking => thinking about 'stuff'
2nd level thinking = > "Thinking About Thinking."

Similar to eg Physics vs Metaphysics, depending ofc on your definition of the latter
 
Old 12-11-2024, 08:20 PM   #13
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[...] but I would recommend highly Durkheim's "The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life."
Now that(!) sounds like the sort of book that I need to add to my library! Is it in the public domain? Can you give us a tiny "book review?"
 
Old 12-11-2024, 08:28 PM   #14
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And there is the entire sub-discipline called "Scientific Philosophy," or, "The Philosophy of Science."

This generally refers to what takes place when we are incapable of determining the answer through observation or direct experimentation. For instance: "evolution above the 'species' level." We want to explore these areas – but how should we do it?

The "philosophy" part refers to a formal consideration of what we can and cannot "know," and how we might proceed in these areas, and how we might treat the conclusions drawn. These worthy areas of scientific exploration cannot be directly buttressed by objective data that we right-now know how to obtain, but we want to go there anyway.

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Old 12-11-2024, 08:29 PM   #15
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Correlation is not a direct link to causation.
Explain that to the Man Made Climate Change activists . To big of words there...
 
  


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