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linuxlivecd 04-18-2021 11:56 AM

pentagon videos UAP's and UFO's
 
Hi,

So I guess some on here have kept up with the recent media reports that the Pentagon confirmed videos of UFA Unidentified aerial phenomenon and UFO's

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pentagon-i...145322327.html

There will be a report released by the early summer on this subject. I don't know what to make of it, I guess many wouldn't know themselves.

The nearest star system is four light years away. And Mars is a million miles away, and the other planets are much further away, so the speed to travel is quite a distance.

I saw First men, the part where Commander Armstrong is in the agina spacecraft, and spinning around, I mean you'd need to be doing that speed to travel anywhere vertical or horizontally.

jsbjsb001 04-18-2021 12:22 PM

The fact that none other than the US Military cannot identify what they are seeing speaks volumes. The reality is that if it was civilian aircraft or other military aircraft, they WOULD have at least some idea of WHAT they are looking at. The fact they have not only video, but eyewitnesses, radar evidence, etc of what they CAN'T identify speaks even more volumes. Whatever it is, is clearly under intelligent control, so it's not simply just "weather balloons" or "swamp gas" or whatever other silly BS so-called "skeptics" want to come up with.

The AATIP program didn't actually end, it was simply rebadged under another name (the UAPTF program from what I read), with different funding. There is a series on Youtube called "The Basement Office" with Nick Pope who worked for the UK Government's Ministry of Defence, who used to research UFO's for the UK Government. They actually interviewed a physicist who worked for the AATIP program, who confirmed it didn't really end, it was just once again rebadged under a different name. They also confirmed that we humans simply do not have the technology or understanding to build the sort of craft observed by the US Military.

I don't remember which particular video with the physicist from the AATIP program was in, but I do remember watching it and it was one of the later "The Basement Office" videos on Youtube - so just hunt through them and you should find it.

Anyhow, here's one that will probably interest you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z10B10-Mj0o

linuxlivecd 04-18-2021 08:27 PM

Sure, that is a fair point on the fact that the military as an institution can't give any real explanation. It could be adversary technology, but we all know about Area 51, so where would the equivalent be in Russia or China.

The question is, have their pilots seen that type of objects?

jsbjsb001 04-19-2021 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by linuxlivecd (Post 6242560)
Sure, that is a fair point on the fact that the military as an institution can't give any real explanation. It could be adversary technology, but we all know about Area 51, so where would the equivalent be in Russia or China.

From the research I've done, "Area 51" isn't where the US has reportedly researched and/or had UFO's from another world. There is likely nothing there related to any UFO's or aliens whatsoever from what I can tell. Nearly all of the research I've done always points to "S4", which I assume means "Site 4" - therefore it would be natural to assume there is a "Site 1, 2 and 3" as well. At least one map of the wider base where Area 51 is located shows that "S4" (along with S1, S2 and S3) either aren't actually part of Area 51, or are a subset of Area 51. In any case, from the research and map I've done and seen, "S4" sits next to Area 51, but not actually in Area 51 itself. So it would be very convenient for the US Government if everybody is talking about and looking at Area 51, when in actual fact "the real action" is somewhere else - classic misdirection. It also seems that "S4" is even more restricted than Area 51 itself - there would be a reason for that.

The only people that seem to talk about Area 51 are either skeptics looking to debunk it, or "UFO enthusiasts" from what I've seen. So personally I think the "skeptics" are right about at least one thing; there likely is nothing to see at Area 51 itself as far as UFO's and aliens are concerned.

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The question is, have their pilots seen that type of objects?
Yes they have, numerous US Navy and Air Force pilots have reported seeing UFO's. They have also been seen by military pilots in other countries as well, like at least some European countries. While I can't remember exactly which country it was, there was a story where a military pilot in Europe actually chased a UFO but couldn't keep up with it's speed.

In any case, here's some videos for you (the first three were declassified by none other than the US Department of Defense):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLZgnmRDs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TumprpOwHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUrTsrhVce4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OTaxiBE-TQ

linuxlivecd 04-19-2021 09:54 AM

Hmm, I mean Area 51 is as it has been for decades, an open area for military research, due to the cold war. Russia and China may have a similar locations for such operations. So the technology could simply be adversarial. Or as the video I watched in the post above, it is claimed that technology is patented the triangle looking object.

Those clips are familiar to what has been reported by the pentagon.

Ten years ago one was spotted when the British monarch left, but it was probably an Irish air corps world war two looking, Swiss 1980's manufactured Pilatus PC-9 two seater plane, with a couple of guns on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXrXBgX-pqk

Of course, not many are probably reported there, as there isn't the military air craft to get high up.

jsbjsb001 04-19-2021 11:04 AM

Well, the CIA has admitted (as long suspected) the development of several formally secret military aircraft like the U2 spy plane, the stealth bomber, etc were in fact developed at Area 51. So Area 51 has clearly been used for both military research and development purposes.

I'd think Russia and China would have some sort of equivalent to Area 51, but it maybe several different sites, not just the "one place".

The former Soviet KGB intelligence agency was most certainly very interested in UFO's, obviously to harvest whatever technology they could get to use against the US of A.

Grobe 04-19-2021 11:35 AM

A bounce of neat picked video sequences and some military dudes that belongs to wanna-believers doesn't prove nothing.

Have a look at the Thunderf00t youtube channel, have a wake up call.

This one for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs&t=43s

ondoho 04-19-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by linuxlivecd (Post 6242469)
videos of UFA Unidentified aerial phenomenon and UFO's

So, a UFO, that's an Unidentified Flying Object, right?
What's a UFA then? An Unidentified Flying A....erial...? Isn't something that's flying already aerial?

enorbet 04-19-2021 01:35 PM

The keyword is UNIDENTIFIED. Some previously unidentified aerial phenomenon turned out to be previously unknown kinds of lightning like Sprites and ball lightning. Sprites are absolutely verified though not much is yet known how they form. Ball lightning is still somewhat controversial because of how rarely they apparently occur in nature and are not at all well understood how we might recreate any.

Further down the controversy path are artifacts such as "flying rods" now completely understood and recreated but baffling for a few years. It should be noted that now, some 10 years after having been debunked as any manner of real objects, there are still videos posted completely ignoring the debunking... much like Moon Landing Hoax and Flat earth nutjobs.

It seems likely that sometime, somewhere in the vast sea of SpaceTime there have been or will be extraterrestrial lifeforms. Somewhat less likely (orders of magnitude less actually) is what we would consider intelligent lifeforms. MANY orders of magnitude less likely are spacefaring lifeforms and another degree of orders of magnitude are spacefaring lifeforms capable of faster-than-light travel if that is even possible. Vast orders of magnitude separate that even further from those who can travel FTL and have any interest in podunk Earth as well as the energy budget to travel here.

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Originally Posted by Carl Sagan
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

These videos aren't even evidence of alien craft let alone extraordinary evidence. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble (I wish it were true, too) but it is mere fantasy to jump from "unidentifed" to "therefore it must be aliens".

Bonzoo 04-19-2021 09:50 PM

UFO = No tags. $250 fine

ondoho 04-19-2021 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by enorbet (Post 6242805)
These videos aren't even evidence of alien craft let alone extraordinary evidence. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble (...cough...) but it is mere fantasy to jump from "unidentifed" to "therefore it must be aliens".

Yeah, I'm always baffled when I watch the actual "evidence" presented with such claims. How can they believe themselves, when all they have to go on is military babble and a few dots in black/white? Hungry for internet points I guess.

linuxlivecd 04-20-2021 12:57 PM

Yes UFO means either UFO or a possibility it is something from the solar system, and beyond. Considering the distances between the stars, and like the example of Ingenuity on Mars, it took resources on Earth to even get that chopper to another planet, which was pretty cool that it did fly. As Brian Cox would say, it isn't plausible that the laws of physics and the elements are different simply elsewhere, so a chopper on Mars, and a chopper on some other exoplanet still makes it the same, as in it takes resources and life on two legs with arms to do it in the first place.

enorbet 04-20-2021 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by linuxlivecd (Post 6243120)
Yes UFO means either UFO or a possibility it is something from the solar system, and beyond.

Or just something from right here on Earth we have yet to experience enough to test and understand. As I mentioned, considering things like ball lightning, sprites (extreme altitude "lightning" events) rods, and much more, the odds are higher UFOs are local.

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Originally Posted by linuxlivecd (Post 6243120)
As Brian Cox would say, it isn't plausible that the laws of physics and the elements are different simply elsewhere, so a chopper on Mars, and a chopper on some other exoplanet still makes it the same, as in it takes resources and life on two legs with arms to do it in the first place.

There is a difference between plausible and actual. Firstly, we learned to fly by observing and imitating Nature here on Earth. We really can't be certain there isn't some force or effect common to Planet Earth that lends itself to the Physics of flight here that is somewhat different elsewhere that would affect aircraft design in one way or another. That we still do not have an exact understanding of Gravity is but one obvious effect that comes to mind.

Carl Sagan emphasized an important aspect of real Science in his book Contact, that Science progresses best in small steps. Ingenuity is a great example of this. It is why the 1st flight was just 3 meters up, hover awhile, and return to land, then check all systems to be certain all is nominal. It doesn't seem spectacular to we humans who, even if we haven't flown at 600mph at 35,000 feet or maneuvered sharply in a 'copter, have seen such action repeatedly all our lives. Nevertheless that first flight on Mars was similar to, and just as earthshaking as the Wright Brothers' first ever powered heavier-than-air-craft flight of 120 feet at 34mph. The engineering team realized this which is why they asked for and got a bit of fabric from the Smithsonian from that monumental device and took it to Mars.

ondoho 04-20-2021 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by linuxlivecd (Post 6243120)
Yes UFO means either UFO or a possibility it is something from the solar system, and beyond.

No, it just means unidentified.
And I still don't understand what UFA means. Wikipedia has nothing relevant.

...

If there's intelligent aliens out there (probability says yes), they certainly aren't on Mars or anywhere in the solar system.

linuxlivecd 04-21-2021 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by enorbet (Post 6243159)
Or just something from right here on Earth we have yet to experience enough to test and understand. As I mentioned, considering things like ball lightning, sprites (extreme altitude "lightning" events) rods, and much more, the odds are higher UFOs are local.



There is a difference between plausible and actual. Firstly, we learned to fly by observing and imitating Nature here on Earth. We really can't be certain there isn't some force or effect common to Planet Earth that lends itself to the Physics of flight here that is somewhat different elsewhere that would affect aircraft design in one way or another. That we still do not have an exact understanding of Gravity is but one obvious effect that comes to mind.

Carl Sagan emphasized an important aspect of real Science in his book Contact, that Science progresses best in small steps. Ingenuity is a great example of this. It is why the 1st flight was just 3 meters up, hover awhile, and return to land, then check all systems to be certain all is nominal. It doesn't seem spectacular to we humans who, even if we haven't flown at 600mph at 35,000 feet or maneuvered sharply in a 'copter, have seen such action repeatedly all our lives. Nevertheless that first flight on Mars was similar to, and just as earthshaking as the Wright Brothers' first ever powered heavier-than-air-craft flight of 120 feet at 34mph. The engineering team realized this which is why they asked for and got a bit of fabric from the Smithsonian from that monumental device and took it to Mars.

I'm going on what he said, perhaps you are correct on a UFO or UAPs not UFA:doh: being more local, but it is like Brian said, that the idea that somewhere is different from this neck of the woods is unlikely.

For us we needed coal or wood before to eventually get to the point where Yuri orbited our planet.


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