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Old 05-28-2021, 12:10 PM   #31
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BTW business_kid, I haven't bothered to look up the yearly military budget of other countries but I suspect it is miniscule compared to the US budget, whether figured in total expense or percentage of GNP. It costs enormous sums of money to keep fleets of vessels at sea and massive groups of fighter jets, radar planes, and bombers in the air constantly monitoring the land and especially borders including at the seas and that is many, many thousands of miles.

For this reason the US is rather uniquely positioned to be exposed to such phenomena while at the same time having considerable openness about such things compared to many countries. So maybe this is why so many reports are from here... or it could be that the phenomena are in some way a US phenomena. In any case, people need to stop the guesswork and actually know.
 
Old 05-29-2021, 06:58 AM   #32
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Well, if it's any use, I remember articles from the 1960s and even further back on sightings (and at least one apparent landing, or was it crash?) all in the Excited States, of course.

I feel sorry for the aliens, actually. Whatever they are looking for, searching in the same place every time is hardly the way to find it.
 
Old 05-29-2021, 10:46 AM   #33
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To be fair Elizondo doesn't rule out aliens or even multi-dimensional possibilities.
To be fair I didn't rule that out either.
 
Old 05-29-2021, 03:36 PM   #34
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Check this out, business_kid. I suspect you will find it quite interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._UFO_sightings
 
Old 05-29-2021, 05:27 PM   #35
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If people around was starting asking the correct questions, I think it would unfold something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCH7BWGpl5s
 
Old 05-30-2021, 03:09 AM   #36
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Well Grobe I think it is verifiable that Jeremy Corbell is a nutter and Tucker Carlson is either a buffoon or a craafty actor playing to his audience byt that video is, at best, a satirical comedy routine. Yes the field of UFOs is rife with nutters and grifters exactly because it is safe to speculate on things not yet identified. Some of those "unidentified objects" can be identified as bad photography, bad interpretation of infrared optics, and so on, but some are not that easy to dismiss.

I'd like to remind you of the "Rods Phenomenon" from a few years ago that was heralded also by "ufo-logists" as "evidence" that took about a year to debunk once serious Science got involved. From my POV even if every single instance of sightings gets debunked right and proper that would be a good thing. Unfortunately that video irresponsibly (unless it was meant to be comedy) mixes serious with ridiculous, conflating the two as one, and that is not the case. IMHO that video is almost as bad as Jeremy Corbell and other nutters/grifters who have zero interest in truth. It's just a dog biting it's tail.

Personally I think it would be worth another 20 million to once and for all put the final nail in the coffin of extraterrestrial intelligence wasting time checking up on us. I suppose since there re Flat Earthers and Moon Landing Deniers, there would still be some nutters but at least the numbers might diminish and it would be possible to focus more on real issues.

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Old 05-30-2021, 05:05 AM   #37
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The thing about human experience is that it's real to them. We were warned about some junk spaceship section and some meteorite that were going to land soon, as was observed by astronomical observations. But no ufo is ever sighted on the way in … There's a fair correlation between who considered themselves an advanced political power at the time and that wikipedia list of UFOs.

Let me propose the UFO formula: F(amiliar Locality)+S(elf confidence) × H(allucination) = UFO?
 
Old 05-30-2021, 01:49 PM   #38
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The report to congress may clear some of the views that we have on here, my view also is, most of these reports take place in wealthy countries.

I saw UFO tv programme the other site, one amateur video in the states in the east, was similar to what the pilots of virginia saw in 2014 and 2015 about a tic tac, or as far back as November 2004.

Now no* Astronaut aboard the station has reported ever seeing an object like what those have seen on the squadron off the US navy ships.

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Old 05-30-2021, 05:21 PM   #39
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. . . Now Astronaut aboard the station has reported ever seeing an object like what those have seen on the squadron off the US navy ships.
Do you have a reliable source on this? That is from someone that does not have a fixed view and conclude with alien spaceships for everything that isn't firmly identified yet. . .
 
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Sorry that was a typo, if I did, I'd of mentioned a name.

I mean to state that no Astronaut has seen an object, only pilots have.

Perhaps I can try and find the amateur footage I saw on television the night before.
 
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If people around was starting asking the correct questions, I think it would unfold something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCH7BWGpl5s
Thank you.

At first, I was quite impressed with the UFO footage presented at the beginning. You can see an actual shape, not just a dot.
Then, later, the explanation: it's infrared footage, which can be quite different from what the eye sees... and more explanation later on.

"Just because these guys are fighter pilots, doesn't mean they can't be UFO nutters as well!"

But yeah, UFOs are real!!! - inasmuch as: yeah, the US military cannot explain everything it encounters. Neither can anybody else.

I totally endorse the way a critical and precise eye is combined with humour in that video - even the small political jibes fit the topic. Noice.

Disclaimer: at no point am I disputing the possibility that aliens from outer space really really do exist!!!

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Old 05-31-2021, 03:40 AM   #42
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While apparently SOME UFOs are likely "real" and not imagination or simply infrared photos (or artifacts) or outright hoaxes, JUST FTR I DO dispute the possibility that aliens have traveled here.
 
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To you guys who are obviously examining these phenomena, I have questions:
  1. Do these things obey the laws of physics? Like a heat shield for atmospheric entry?
  2. Do they defy gravity, or the laws of acceleration/braking?
  3. Have you ever seen an alien?

I was thinking that with one sighting a day, there would have to be a regular procession of them into orbit at any sub-light speeds. That would be observable surely to astronomers. That is, unless we're attributing other qualities to them, which is where we deviate from the Scientific and into the Religious.

I'm afraid my attitude to aliens never got past the post card I saw as a kid. There was an outdoor W.C. on a farm, a spaceship had landed nearby, the alien was holding the W.C. door open and saying "Stand when I speak to you, Earthling!"
 
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I'm examining to some degree but I do not assume they are extraterrestrial, so the concern over entering from orbit doesn't necessarily apply. As for "defying gravity", that is speculation at best because we don't understand Gravity well.

It's why so many brilliant minds are seeking a definition that fits in Quantum Theory. It has always been a concern how weak Gravity is compared to the three other fundamental forces and Einstein threw a monkey wrench into thew works by questioning whether Gravity is in fact a force at all, and seeing it as an inherent chracteristic of SpaceTime. Quantum Mechanics only exacerbated the definition which is a large part of the interest in understanding Black Holes. It's quite a mystery still, so our understanding of what "defying Gravity" even means is cursory at best.

As for aliens, I doubt anyone has ever seen an an extraterrestrial "alien". Even the microscopic "evidence" heralded by US President Bill Clinton on a meteorite that originated on Mars, upon full investigation turned out to be mineral rather than microbic. I'm following the recent and ongoing explorations on Mars with extreme interest. Whatever happens will be full of both answers and questions.
 
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Gravity cannot be ignored, enorbet. Many have tried that, with predictable results.

Your first two paragraphs are full of red herrings and tangents, none of which I am interested in taking up. I would have thought there's a limited budget for examining terrestial UFOs.

As for your 3rd paragraph, I gather you're answering my question 3 in the negative. At least we agree on something.
 
  


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