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Old 04-03-2018, 07:46 PM   #1
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"Paper and Firecrackers" == "Actual 9/11 Truth"


Just watch this.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 08:17 PM   #2
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It's is rather strange how it looked like a controlled explosion effect where is imploded upon itself. I've always thought that, then here this guy is using firecrackers to prove that idea.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 08:45 PM   #3
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...e-so-appealing
 
Old 04-04-2018, 05:50 AM   #4
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No thanks.

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I doubt the OP going to read that. But, good and very relevant link tho!
 
Old 04-04-2018, 12:39 PM   #5
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on the topic of Conspiracy Theories and association with this 911 thing.

shorty after this event happened, I was switching channels. Finding a new outlet on TV. Finding one I watched what they had to say about this event on 911. They were covering the about the people that did this in how they prepared for it.

Talking about how they even had it down to a check off list that they were to follow to help make them less suspicious and blend into a crowed. How to have their hair cut, and what to ware, even how to speak to others and such.

Then this news channel showed the check off list. It was found at the sight in New York. Stating that it was one of the list that a terrorist on on him in the planed used to crash into the towers, and that they had found the same check off list at all of the crash sights that the terrorist had crashed the planes into.


Psychics or whatever science used. Please explain to me how can a piece of paper that is held within one of your pockets and you being contained inside of an airplane that crashes into and going inside of a building then exploding inside of this building, then the building eventually come creasing down upon itself, it does not fall sideways one way or the other. But straight down upon itself.

left in ashes, then someone "supposedly" finds an unscathed piece of paper in perfect condition laying within this rubble outside of the body that held it within a exploding airplane that was inside of a burning building that collapsed upon itself without injuring any of the buildings next to it only to leave itself in a pile of rubble and ash?

furthermore, not only was this paper found at that sight, but all three, as if to say they all had a copy of this check off this that somehow mysteriously fly's out of the dead burning body and out of the airplane that is on fire and through the building it crashed inside of only to land in the same area of hot ashes and rubble and does not suffer any kind of damage?

that was only form what I seen broadcasted one time. which is enough to sink into the minds of the people that watched it. landing into some that do not even take the time to think about anything other then themselves, and they just accept everything else as a truth without questioning it.

Conspiracy? hum...
 
Old 04-04-2018, 03:20 PM   #6
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This has been covered so many times and for so long without a shred of actual evidence directly pertaining to the event that all I can say now is The initial link has about as much relevance as assuming that 200 people dropped cherry bombs or a chunk of sodium in the commodes. Whether or not that could result in a collapse has no bearing on whether or not that is what actually occurred as well as "could" must be considered with an eye toward whether or not such causes could be accomplished in secret

It should be noted that in the linked experimental video's notes the last statement that "no building has collapsed like this before or since" is at best just wrong and at worst a convenient lie. Not only have buildings such as the Plasco in Tehran and the Kader Toy Factory in Thailand collapsed in a similar fashion from fire alone but the simple fact is that it doesn't matter whether fire or demolition removes supports, as far as the Physics is concerned, collapse is still inevitable once enough support is compromised and each successive mass of concrete changes from "the hunted" to "the hunter" where "pancake" and "piledriver" are effectively combined.

Furthermore while it is true that "Fn =MA" it isn't pointed out that "A" (acceleration) is logarithmic in cases of collapse since Acceleration is a a result of kinetic energy which is one half the Mass times the Speed SQUARED . While the accelerating force of Gravity is relatively constant there are orders of magnitude difference between blocks of wood falling a few inches and "blocks" of concrete falling many feet. That distance of fall results in increased Speed which is constantly squared as each successive floor collapses and falls an additional ~10 feet while the mass is simultaneously added to the falling "piledriver".

Could any of the buildings been collapsed by controlled demolition if so desired? Of Course! Could such a demolition been accomplished in secret involving large numbers of people over an extended period of time? Highly unlikely. Could it occur simply from tons of jet fuel and office combustibles? Absolutely.

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Old 04-04-2018, 05:51 PM   #7
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Could any of the buildings been collapsed by controlled demolition if so desired? Of Course! Could such a demolition been accomplished in secret involving large numbers of people over an extended period of time? Highly unlikely. Could it occur simply from tons of jet fuel and office combustibles? Absolutely.
C'mon, Enorbet, you know better! What's the melting-point of steel? What's the temperature of burning kerosene, or paper? How much heat would have to be transferred, more than 80 stories downward, in six seconds flat, in order to cause the virtually instantaneous destruction of what was, at that time, the two tallest buildings in the world? The engineers who designed those structures were not simpletons.

I have plenty(!) of questions why "the official US Government position" on this matter was as it was, such that a very concerted effort has ever-since been made to discredit(!) what is in fact an extremely self-evident truth. When three structures dematerialized, right before our eyes, all in a single day, you would ordinarily expect that both government and law enforcement and the entire engineering world would leave no stone unturned. Instead, they loudly postulated two "official" hypotheses that can be entirely overturned by paper and firecrackers in a very simple experiment. They made a very large number of professional engineers out to be utter fools who supposedly constructed the largest house-of-cards on the planet. They blamed the whole damned thing on their geo-political booger-man of the moment, and "that" was simply supposed to be "that."

I'm sorry, but, "to lil' ol' me," that sort of thing doesn't fly.

No, I can't even begin to place myself into the blacker-than-black heart of the incomprehensible psychopaths who very-apparently did this. I can't tell you how they kept it secret. But, b'damned if I am content to pretend that it didn't happen as it actually did. Or to do without real answers merely because those answers might turn out to be extremely unpleasant. If an act of war, unlike any act of war that has ever preceded it in all of human history, was very-successfully perpetrated in the downtown of one of our flagship cities and with nary an "invading army" in sight, then I think that we must learn everything about it that we possibly can.

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Old 04-04-2018, 07:06 PM   #8
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Controlled demolition followed by mass coverup/psyops. Enough said....
https://www.europhysicsnews.org/arti...2016474p21.pdf
https://archive.org/details/Septembe...lledDemolition
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...o-plane-theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archit...for_9/11_Truth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare



its been done before a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶M̶.̶I̶.̶C̶.̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

The so called Patriot Act was written many years before 9/11, notice how it was approved within hours of the incident
http://washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/r...%E2%80%9D.html

Quote from Ron Paul:
“The PATRIOT Act Was Written Many, Many Years Before 9/11 [And The Attacks Simply Provided] An Opportunity for Some People To Do What They Wanted To Do”

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Old 04-04-2018, 07:24 PM   #9
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But, b'damned if I am content to pretend that it didn't happen as it actually did. Or to do without real answers merely because those answers might turn out to be extremely unpleasant. If an act of war, unlike any act of war that has ever preceded it in all of human history, was very-successfully perpetrated in the downtown of one of our flagship cities and with nary an "invading army" in sight, then I think that we must learn everything about it that we possibly can.
Hmm, but you also said:

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In my opinion, "there are things in this world that need to be, and that need to remain, 'State Secrets.'" And the actual truth of 9/11 is one of those things, because full disclosure would potentially reveal far too much information to future adversaries. They don't need to know what we know. They also don't need to know too much about what we did in response. They can "read between the lines" if we choose to give them any lines to read-between, which is precisely why we should give them nothing.

On the one hand, "the public has the right to know." But on the other, "Knowledge Is Power.™" Therefore, "sometimes, 'no, the public doesn't have the right to know, and in fact must not know!'"
So which is it?
 
Old 04-04-2018, 07:54 PM   #10
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Of course I won't watch it. My eyes are rolling hard enough as is.

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Old 04-05-2018, 03:34 AM   #11
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C'mon, Enorbet, you know better! What's the melting-point of steel? What's the temperature of burning kerosene, or paper? How much heat would have to be transferred, more than 80 stories downward, in six seconds flat, in order to cause the virtually instantaneous destruction of what was, at that time, the two tallest buildings in the world? The engineers who designed those structures were not simpletons.
I never said anything about a requirement that steel melt. I never said 80 stories needed to be compromised. I have no idea where "6 seconds flat" comes from since they burned for close to an hour. I most certainly never even remotely implied the engineers and architects were simpletons. In fact it is rather remarkable that after the combination of several tons of jet airliner crashing into the structures at hundreds of miles per hour and erupting into a kind of jet fuel explosion (btw Jet Fuel is to home use kerosene as household hydrogen peroxide is to the highly refined version used as rocket fuel) that the structures stayed up as long as they did but once the tipping point was reached rapid collapse was inevitable.

Again the means by which support is removed matters only as a technicality from a Physics point of view. The results are essentially the same.
 
Old 04-05-2018, 09:07 AM   #12
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911 Was before I could remember. However after watching some videos, I'm wondering what caused the 3rd tower to collapse?
 
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I saw "scale model" in the description, and it's obvious that their argument is "a housefly cannot exist, because I made a scale model of a housefly the size of a car and I just couldn't get it to fly like that".

That's as much as I need to "watch". Especially since you've (EDIT: as in Sundialsvcs) personally made a similar argument before.

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Old 04-05-2018, 10:51 AM   #14
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For goodness sake! We had all this out months ago. Why start it up again? All that is happening here is that everyone is saying what they said the last time around.
 
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For goodness sake! We had all this out months ago. Why start it up again?
It's just what people in the US "flyoverland" do: perhaps it's something in the water.
 
  


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