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Old 07-01-2021, 02:41 AM   #16
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Is AI driven like selfdriven? The same?
I say NO! Too dangerus. My child want to play outside, maybe Google car cannot see?
 
Old 07-05-2021, 08:07 PM   #17
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This report from the Hearst-owned news site, SFGate, appears germane to this thread.

https://www.sfgate.com/business/arti...h-16294555.php
 
Old 07-06-2021, 05:40 AM   #18
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Looks as if they can't lose! If anything goes wrong, it's the driver's fault.
 
Old 07-16-2021, 07:52 PM   #19
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Well said. Blame the victim.
 
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This report from the Hearst-owned news site, SFGate, appears germane to this thread.

https://www.sfgate.com/business/arti...h-16294555.php
Elon Musk has a Love/Hate relationship with AI:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/13/elon...community.html
 
Old 07-17-2021, 09:38 AM   #21
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Elon Musk has a Love/Hate relationship with AI:
I think that may be both oversimplification and a bit misdirected. To characterize his views as simply emotional misses the mark in my view based on interviews as well as print. He recognizes that the proverbial Pandora's Box has been opened and there is no putting it all back under lock and key. AI WILL be developed and increasingly used because it works. and more often than not works better than whatever came before. So given the inevitability of it the only rational choice is to carefully control it's development. I strongly suspect any efforts to simply stop it are doomed to failure.

As for AI application to cars we are faced with a tradeoff. Humans can respond to unforeseen events better than machines for reasons exacvtly as noted that they ostensibly require human programmers... or did. Now we have Machine Learning and given the widespread adoption of "telemetry" I have little doubt that car manufacturers, among others, will increasingly allow/cause AI instances to "compare notes" to enhance the database of what can possibly be expected, ever, and that includes events with infinitesimally small odds. Because machines can access that vast accumulation of possibilities, far more and far faster than any human can conceivably aspire to, this will happen..

Additionally, dead is dead. We can't possibly hope to achieve a zero death rate with the deployment of any new technology. People die from falling off ladders, are electrocuted by tools and appliances, die in fires, etc etc etc etc. All we can do is decrease the odds anyone will die, so the numbers diminish over time.

Some here are saying they don't wish to die from the cause of an AI failure, but is that any worse than dying from a blown tire or gas tank explosion, let alone because the human driver was on his phone, eating and drinking, spilled something, got distracted, or was under the influence? If the overall numbers go down it will happen.

Consider that the Victorian adoption of electrical power in the home was commonly a safety nightmare and many thousands died as a direct result. Look it up. You will be astonished. It took time to develop standards and reduce, not eliminate all deaths directly or indirectly due to home power. Do any of you really want to go back to zero electrical power in our homes?

I get it. In the Victorian era Science and Technology seemed more commonly accessible. People imagined, real or not, that they had some level of control over the tools and events in their lives. It is a direct analog of why people generally prefer to drive rather than take a plane despite the hard fact that air travel is vastly safer than road travel. We don't like feeling at the mercy of what we don't understand and it gets harder all the time to understand when we are manipulating molecules and atoms let alone zeroes and ones in electronic pulses that take place many millions of times per second. IMHO, the answer is most definitely not in becoming blindly skeptical and negative about everything.

It is perhaps of little solace to realize we really aren't all that far down from the trees. We still build our homes from sticks and stones. Progress is indeed inevitable but it is also inevitably slow. I'm quite confidant that true AI controlled traffic will become a reality and that by the time that happens it will be utterly obvious that there will be fewer highway deaths.

So, yes, it is probably a good thing that many are overly cautious and driven my emotional reactions. However expecting to full stop progress is folly as well as inadvisable. Things in general, especially in the realm of safety, are almost unimagineabley better than they ever were before at any time in History. It's just too easy to take it all for granted and imagine the simpler Past was somehow better overall.

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